Yes Denis, that's right: suppressing the author inserts parentheses into the mix, unfortunately. (It would also involve manually tracking the citations and adjusting them any time the order changed.) The more I think about it, though, the more I realize that if pandoc has trouble with "ibid," I might just switch to a style that does not use "ibid" at all. Staying with pandoc v2.10 is not really a long-term solution, and pandoc is more important to me than any particular style guide! Joshua On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 11:41:16 AM UTC-8 Denis Maier wrote: > Oh, looks like it won't if I understand John's comments in the other > thread correctly... > > > > Von meinem/meiner Galaxy gesendet > > > -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht -------- > Von: 'Denis Maier' via pandoc-discuss > Datum: 11.11.20 20:37 (GMT+01:00) > An: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org, joshu...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org, j...-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org > Betreff: Re: Formatting of "ibid" in v2.11.x > > Don't know if that works in that case, but using a minus before the @ > usually suppresses the author. > > I agree with you that it would be favourable to suppress the author here > automatically. Currently that is not officially possible with CSL. > > > -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht -------- > Von: Joshua > Datum: 11.11.20 20:02 (GMT+01:00) > An: pandoc-discuss > Betreff: Re: Formatting of "ibid" in v2.11.x > > Thanks for such a helpful, prompt reply. I've loved pandoc for a long > time, but I had no idea the support was this good. You have a superb > project here. > > After consulting the style guides, it looks like pandoc is keeping with > the times and I am not. I'm still a bit confused about your response to the > second issue, though. Suppose I type: > Blah.^[@AugustineCityGod2008, 72.] Blah.^[Compare to the competing claim > in @AugustineCityGod2008, 46.] > > This then renders: > [1] Augustine, *City of God*, 72. > [2] Compare to the rather different claim in Augustine, ibid, 46. > > Whereas the behavior I intend: > [1] Augustine, *City of God*, 72. > [2] Compare to the rather different claim in ibid, 46. > > This is the behavior I achieved before upgrading pandoc, but I do not > understand the directives I need to give in order to achieve it now. Or > maybe I simply cannot. > > Many thanks once again, > Joshua > > On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 10:01:25 AM UTC-8 John MacFarlane wrote: > >> Joshua writes: >> >> > (This is a followup to "Removing parentheses around citations in >> > footnotes": *thank you so much* for the fix there. The behavior I'm >> > noticing now is different enough that I thought it worth a separate >> thread.) >> > >> > There seems to be an issue with "ibid." I'm using >> > chicago-note-bibliography-with-ibid.csl and a dummy file as an example. >> > Here's what I get with v2.11.1.1: >> > [1] Dodds, *Euripedes*; see also Augustine, *The City of God*. >> > [2] Augustine, *The City of God*, 72. >> > [3] Augustine, ibid, 46. >> > Note that there are two problems here: (1) it repeats the source in >> note 2 >> > instead of using "ibid", >> >> It's not clear that's a problem. Indeed, we made a change to get >> just this behavior. See >> >> >> https://github.com/jgm/citeproc/commit/5aafa0e58ce37d56677bf88f52c4e6591e867703 >> https://github.com/jgm/pandoc#6813 >> https://github.com/citation-style-language/documentation#121 >> >> According to the spec, ibid is supposed to be triggered only when >> the cited item (a) immediately follows another cite to the same >> source within the same citation or (b) the previous citation >> "consists of a single cite referencing the same item." >> >> In this case there is some ambiguity about whether (b) is >> satisfied -- technically, it is, because the previous citation >> is just "Augustine, The City of God." However, that in-text >> citation occurs in a note with another citation, such that the >> whole thing is indistinguishable from a note citation containing >> the two items. So we treat the item as not a "single cite" in >> this case. >> >> > and (2) it repeats the author in note 3. >> >> That's because (I assume) you've used an author-in-text citation >> form, which always prints the author. Note the difference >> between >> >> blah blah [@augustine:city]. >> >> and >> >> blah blah^[@augustine:city]. >> >> IN the first case you have a normal citation, and the author name >> will be suppressed. In the second case, you have a footnote with >> an author-in-text citation. >> >> We need this behavior because you might say >> "@augustine:city says blah" in the main text, and we'd want >> to get "Augustine(1) says blah" with a note "(1) Ibid." >> This structure (author name + note with "ibid") gets transformed >> to "Augustine, ibid." when it is found within a note. >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/557267e8-3f30-45aa-8b58-50fc6ba71531n%40googlegroups.com > > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/5fac3d7d.1c69fb81.8ceda.81c8SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING%40gmr-mx.google.com > > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. 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