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I have added a new page https://try.perm.pub/tools/= =20 to answer half-ish of your questions. I'll answer below in this message too= . On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 3:43:50=E2=80=AFAM UTC-5 Guillaume Dehaene w= rote: After spending 15mins reading through the doc at try.perm.pub and the=20 "manifesto" on perm.pub itself, I'm still a bit confused about some of the= =20 key details of the project: - what exactly is the overarching aim? As far as I can tell, this=20 constructs an arxiv-like structure of versioning for technical documents,= =20 but hosting is decentralized (perm.pub only hosts links?) ? "Decentralized arxiv-like hosting" is a good description. For those=20 familiar with PubMed Central, I like the playful name "PubMe Decentral".=20 But I've avoided the term "decentralized" for a variety of reasons. Regarding overarching aim, I'm not sure at what level or time scale to=20 answer that question. Similar to how for HTML I have a hard time answering= =20 what is HTML's overarching aim. =20 - what formats can I use to author to perm.pub? Having read the two latex= =20 based examples, I guess latex works, but can I do markdown? Realistically, I would stick to either LaTeX or Markdown, at least for now.= =20 Those are the two source formats I am using. =20 Can I do quarto (an opinionated extension of pandoc markdown, www.quarto.or= g=20 )? I have not started testing and using Quarto but I plan to before the end of= =20 the year. Quarto will probably work well. =20 Can I do docx / openofficewrite like some teams like to do? since I know=20 this is based on pandoc, I guess it's going to be somewhat flexible, but=20 with restrictions at some key points. I have tested generating a Baseprint snapshot from a LibreOffice doc,=20 thanks to Pandoc, but I doubt many will find this approach satisfactory. I= =20 might be biased because I generally avoid word processors. My hunch is that= =20 if somebody likes using a word processor, they probably will find this tech= =20 in its current state too user-unfriendly. But in the future, maybe it will= =20 be different. If anybody would like to be a be a trial user of using a word processor for= =20 baseprints, I'm more than happy to help collaborate. We can document in=20 what ways this tech falls short of being user-friendly enough, which I=20 suspect it does. =20 Best regards Guillaume --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. 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Thank you for asking! I have added a new page https://try.perm.pub/too= ls/ to answer half-ish of your questions. I'll answer below in this message= too.

On Monday, November 6, 2023 a= t 3:43:50=E2=80=AFAM UTC-5 Guillaume Dehaene wrote:
After spending 15mins=C2=A0re= ading through the doc at try.perm.pub and the "manifesto" on perm.pub itsel= f, I'm still a bit confused about some of the key details of the project:
- what exactly is the overarching aim? As far as I can tell, this = constructs an arxiv-like structure of versioning=C2=A0for technical documen= ts, but hosting is decentralized (perm.pub only hosts links?) ?
=

"Decentralized arxiv-like hosting" is a = good description. For those familiar with PubMed Central, I like the playfu= l name "PubMe Decentral". But I've avoided the term "decentralized" for a v= ariety of reasons.

Regarding overarching aim, I'm not sure at wh= at level or time scale to answer that question. Similar to how for HTML I h= ave a hard time answering what is HTML's overarching aim.

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- what formats can I use to author to perm.pub? Having read the two la= tex based examples, I guess latex works, but can I do markdown?
=

Realistically, I would stick to either L= aTeX or Markdown, at least for now. Those are the two source formats I am u= sing.

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Can I do quarto (an opinionated extension of p= andoc markdown, www.quarto.org )?

I have not started testing and using Quarto but I plan to before the end= of the year. Quarto will probably work well.

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= Can I do docx / openofficewrite like some teams like to do? since I know th= is is based on pandoc, I guess it's going to be somewhat=C2=A0flexible, but= with restrictions at some key points.

<= /div>
I have tested generating a Baseprint snapshot from a LibreOffice = doc, thanks to Pandoc, but I doubt many will find this approach satisfactor= y. I might be biased because I generally avoid word processors. My hunch is= that if somebody likes using a word processor, they probably will find thi= s tech in its current state too user-unfriendly. But in the future, maybe i= t will be different.

If anybody would like to be= a be a trial user of using a word processor for baseprints, I'm more than = happy to help collaborate. We can document in what ways this tech falls sho= rt of being user-friendly enough, which I suspect it does.

=C2=A0

Best regards
Guillaume

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