From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.text.pandoc/23715 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Carter Wood Newsgroups: gmane.text.pandoc Subject: Re: Citation problems, pandoc-citeproc? 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I have looked back through the documentation and found the relevant section, which I seem to have overlooked. I was convinced it had once been different, but as you say, looking back I see that it wasn't. Sorry, my error. I have done some experimentation, and it seems that within a *footnote* (so, using ^[text]), adding a period between references is not a problem. I *think* that when I was first learning to use pandoc/markdown (about two years ago), I ran into the problem that citations within footnotes weren't cooperating very well with those simply in brackets with regard to recognising where "ibid" would be appropriate. At least I recall such problems. As a result I had -- through whatever method -- discovered the method that I described above and stuck with it. Now that I'm updating my setup to a new machine I discovered that it didn't work any more. Although it is curious that was working for me for a while. So: using the explicit footnote format would be the right way to add multiple references in sentences (so separated by periods) in a note? This is common in the humanities. I suppose the best advice is "read the manual". :-) Thanks again for your help! Much appreciated. On Monday, October 28, 2019 at 6:57:25 PM UTC+1, John MacFarlane wrote: > > > I'm not sure why it would have worked with an earlier version. > However, the documentation specifies that citations in a citation > group need to be separated by semicolons. > > So [@item1; see also @item2]. > > That has been the documented behavior since the beginning. > > John Carter Wood > writes: > > > Hello, > > > > I've been using a Pandoc setup combined with Zotero and markdown > > successfully for a couple of years. But new versions of this set-up, > using > > a later version of Pandoc, have been having problems: in references > > (footnotes) that use periods, subsequent reference keys are not > converted > > into full references: they remain in the key format > > "@authorname_titleword_year". > > > > (The formatting of the quotation marks is correct: I'm in Germany.) > > > > Here is a sample markdown text. > > > > [image: Markdown_citation.jpg] > > > > > > > > Using this text works fine using pandoc 1.19.2.1/pandoc-citeproc 0.10.4 > All > > references are converted. (The issue comes up in footnote 3.) > > > > [image: earlier_pandoc_version.jpg] > > > > > > > > However, using the *exact same* markdown text and .bib file, running > pandoc > > 2.2.1/pandoc-citeproc 0.14.3.1, the second citation in footnote three > does > > not convert. > > > > [image: later_pandoc_version.jpg] > > > > > > When I remove the period, it works. But I have several documents that > have > > this kind of citation, and I don't want to have to go back and change > them > > all. Moreover, this kind of extensive footnote with citations is normal > in > > my field (history). > > > > Am I doing something wrong? or has something changed with different > > versions? > > > > I appreciate any help. And I'm happy to provide any info if I've > forgotten > > something. > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org . > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/ab2a282c-b491-4b78-86e4-526a37170e8c%40googlegroups.com. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. 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Many thanks for your reply. I have looked back throug= h the documentation and found the relevant section, which I seem to have ov= erlooked.

I was convinced it had once been differe= nt, but as you say, looking back I see that it wasn't. Sorry, my error.=

I have done some experimentation, and it see= ms that within a *footnote* (so, using ^[text]), adding a period between re= ferences is not a problem. I *think* that when I was first learning to use = pandoc/markdown (about two years ago), I ran into the problem that citation= s within footnotes weren't cooperating very well with those simply in b= rackets with regard to recognising where "ibid" would be appropri= ate. At least I recall such problems.

As a re= sult I had -- through whatever method -- discovered the method that I descr= ibed above and stuck with it. Now that I'm updating my setup to a new m= achine I discovered that it didn't work any more.

Although it is curious that was working for me for a while.

So: using the explicit footnote format would be the= right way to add multiple references in sentences (so separated by periods= ) in a note? This is common in the humanities.

I suppose the best advice is "read the manual". :-)
<= br>
Thanks again for your help! Much appreciated.=C2=A0


On Monday, October 28, 2019 at 6:57:25 PM UTC+1, John M= acFarlane wrote:

I'm not sure why it would have worked with an earlier version.
However, the documentation specifies that citations in a citation
group need to be separated by semicolons.

So [@item1; see also @item2].

That has been the documented behavior since the beginning.

John Carter Wood <johann...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:

> Hello,
>
> I've been using a Pandoc setup combined with Zotero and markdo= wn=20
> successfully for a couple of years. But new versions of this set-u= p, using=20
> a later version of Pandoc, have been having problems: in reference= s=20
> (footnotes) that use periods, subsequent reference keys are not co= nverted=20
> into full references: they remain in the key format=20
> "@authorname_titleword_year".=20
>
> (The formatting of the quotation marks is correct: I'm in Germ= any.)=20
>
> Here is a sample markdown text.=20
>
> [image: Markdown_citation.jpg]
>
>
>
> Using this text works fine using pandoc 1.19.2.1/pandoc-cit= eproc 0.10.4 All=20
> references are converted. (The issue comes up in footnote 3.)
>
> [image: earlier_pandoc_version.jpg]
>
>
>
> However, using the *exact same* markdown text and .bib file, runni= ng pandoc=20
> 2.2.1/pandoc-citeproc 0.14.3.1, the second citation in footnote th= ree does=20
> not convert.=20
>
> [image: later_pandoc_version.jpg]
>
>
> When I remove the period, it works. But I have several documents t= hat have=20
> this kind of citation, and I don't want to have to go back and= change them=20
> all. Moreover, this kind of extensive footnote with citations is n= ormal in=20
> my field (history).=20
>
> Am I doing something wrong? or has something changed with differen= t=20
> versions?
>
> I appreciate any help. And I'm happy to provide any info if I&= #39;ve forgotten=20
> something.=20
>
>
> --=20
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google= Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, = send an email to pandoc-...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.= google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/ab2a282c-b491-4b78-86e4-526a371= 70e8c%40googlegroups.com.

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