* Citation problems, pandoc-citeproc? @ 2019-10-26 19:10 John Carter Wood [not found] ` <ab2a282c-b491-4b78-86e4-526a37170e8c-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread From: John Carter Wood @ 2019-10-26 19:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pandoc-discuss [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1729 bytes --] Hello, I've been using a Pandoc setup combined with Zotero and markdown successfully for a couple of years. But new versions of this set-up, using a later version of Pandoc, have been having problems: in references (footnotes) that use periods, subsequent reference keys are not converted into full references: they remain in the key format "@authorname_titleword_year". (The formatting of the quotation marks is correct: I'm in Germany.) Here is a sample markdown text. [image: Markdown_citation.jpg] Using this text works fine using pandoc 1.19.2.1/pandoc-citeproc 0.10.4 All references are converted. (The issue comes up in footnote 3.) [image: earlier_pandoc_version.jpg] However, using the *exact same* markdown text and .bib file, running pandoc 2.2.1/pandoc-citeproc 0.14.3.1, the second citation in footnote three does not convert. [image: later_pandoc_version.jpg] When I remove the period, it works. But I have several documents that have this kind of citation, and I don't want to have to go back and change them all. Moreover, this kind of extensive footnote with citations is normal in my field (history). Am I doing something wrong? or has something changed with different versions? I appreciate any help. And I'm happy to provide any info if I've forgotten something. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/ab2a282c-b491-4b78-86e4-526a37170e8c%40googlegroups.com. [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 2877 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Markdown_citation.jpg --] [-- Type: image/jpeg, Size: 47298 bytes --] [-- Attachment #3: earlier_pandoc_version.jpg --] [-- Type: image/jpeg, Size: 30718 bytes --] [-- Attachment #4: later_pandoc_version.jpg --] [-- Type: image/jpeg, Size: 29460 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
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* Re: Citation problems, pandoc-citeproc? [not found] ` <ab2a282c-b491-4b78-86e4-526a37170e8c-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> @ 2019-10-28 17:57 ` John MacFarlane [not found] ` <m2tv7s69e2.fsf-pgq/RBwaQ+zq8tPRBa0AtqxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread From: John MacFarlane @ 2019-10-28 17:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: John Carter Wood, pandoc-discuss I'm not sure why it would have worked with an earlier version. However, the documentation specifies that citations in a citation group need to be separated by semicolons. So [@item1; see also @item2]. That has been the documented behavior since the beginning. John Carter Wood <johannes.c.holz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes: > Hello, > > I've been using a Pandoc setup combined with Zotero and markdown > successfully for a couple of years. But new versions of this set-up, using > a later version of Pandoc, have been having problems: in references > (footnotes) that use periods, subsequent reference keys are not converted > into full references: they remain in the key format > "@authorname_titleword_year". > > (The formatting of the quotation marks is correct: I'm in Germany.) > > Here is a sample markdown text. > > [image: Markdown_citation.jpg] > > > > Using this text works fine using pandoc 1.19.2.1/pandoc-citeproc 0.10.4 All > references are converted. (The issue comes up in footnote 3.) > > [image: earlier_pandoc_version.jpg] > > > > However, using the *exact same* markdown text and .bib file, running pandoc > 2.2.1/pandoc-citeproc 0.14.3.1, the second citation in footnote three does > not convert. > > [image: later_pandoc_version.jpg] > > > When I remove the period, it works. But I have several documents that have > this kind of citation, and I don't want to have to go back and change them > all. Moreover, this kind of extensive footnote with citations is normal in > my field (history). > > Am I doing something wrong? or has something changed with different > versions? > > I appreciate any help. And I'm happy to provide any info if I've forgotten > something. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/ab2a282c-b491-4b78-86e4-526a37170e8c%40googlegroups.com. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
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* Re: Citation problems, pandoc-citeproc? [not found] ` <m2tv7s69e2.fsf-pgq/RBwaQ+zq8tPRBa0AtqxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org> @ 2019-10-28 19:36 ` John Carter Wood 0 siblings, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread From: John Carter Wood @ 2019-10-28 19:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pandoc-discuss [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 4073 bytes --] Many thanks for your reply. I have looked back through the documentation and found the relevant section, which I seem to have overlooked. I was convinced it had once been different, but as you say, looking back I see that it wasn't. Sorry, my error. I have done some experimentation, and it seems that within a *footnote* (so, using ^[text]), adding a period between references is not a problem. I *think* that when I was first learning to use pandoc/markdown (about two years ago), I ran into the problem that citations within footnotes weren't cooperating very well with those simply in brackets with regard to recognising where "ibid" would be appropriate. At least I recall such problems. As a result I had -- through whatever method -- discovered the method that I described above and stuck with it. Now that I'm updating my setup to a new machine I discovered that it didn't work any more. Although it is curious that was working for me for a while. So: using the explicit footnote format would be the right way to add multiple references in sentences (so separated by periods) in a note? This is common in the humanities. I suppose the best advice is "read the manual". :-) Thanks again for your help! Much appreciated. On Monday, October 28, 2019 at 6:57:25 PM UTC+1, John MacFarlane wrote: > > > I'm not sure why it would have worked with an earlier version. > However, the documentation specifies that citations in a citation > group need to be separated by semicolons. > > So [@item1; see also @item2]. > > That has been the documented behavior since the beginning. > > John Carter Wood <johann...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <javascript:>> writes: > > > Hello, > > > > I've been using a Pandoc setup combined with Zotero and markdown > > successfully for a couple of years. But new versions of this set-up, > using > > a later version of Pandoc, have been having problems: in references > > (footnotes) that use periods, subsequent reference keys are not > converted > > into full references: they remain in the key format > > "@authorname_titleword_year". > > > > (The formatting of the quotation marks is correct: I'm in Germany.) > > > > Here is a sample markdown text. > > > > [image: Markdown_citation.jpg] > > > > > > > > Using this text works fine using pandoc 1.19.2.1/pandoc-citeproc 0.10.4 > All > > references are converted. (The issue comes up in footnote 3.) > > > > [image: earlier_pandoc_version.jpg] > > > > > > > > However, using the *exact same* markdown text and .bib file, running > pandoc > > 2.2.1/pandoc-citeproc 0.14.3.1, the second citation in footnote three > does > > not convert. > > > > [image: later_pandoc_version.jpg] > > > > > > When I remove the period, it works. But I have several documents that > have > > this kind of citation, and I don't want to have to go back and change > them > > all. Moreover, this kind of extensive footnote with citations is normal > in > > my field (history). > > > > Am I doing something wrong? or has something changed with different > > versions? > > > > I appreciate any help. And I'm happy to provide any info if I've > forgotten > > something. > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <javascript:>. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/ab2a282c-b491-4b78-86e4-526a37170e8c%40googlegroups.com. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/ca929a75-92e6-40c8-9c90-b670adc5a2f4%40googlegroups.com. [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 6328 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
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