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Have you tried it yet? Another option is not to use pipe table but grid table in your markdown source, provided that you have an easy way to edit grid table. If filter is an option, you could try . e.g. you could convert your markdown to markdown with pantable2csv, to convert your table to csv format first, and then add a yaml in the csv table block to manually specify width, and then convert the 2nd markdown to RST. (You might then ask if it is possible to pipe the 3 through automatically without manual editing the CSV table. For now the answer is no, because Table in pandoc cannot have attributes, so it is difficult to be able to provide this information to pantable. In general, table in pandoc (and markdown in general) is complicated (e.g. there are 4 different table formats). Sooner or later, a pandoc user probably will discover some caveats and subtlety among the 4 formats, and for example how other parameters like the column width might affect its behavior. Sometimes we might feel cursed and wish things were different, but we are blessed at least because pandoc has been consistent, and is scriptable and extensible (through the filter system). Another suggestion I might make is not to use Sphinx. Pandoc can write to HTML directly, have a template system that gives you a certain level of control on the output, plus a ton of "pandoc-extras" ecosystem to generate websites (see more on the pandoc wiki on GitHub). May be you can help me understand why one would do md-rst-html conversion but not md-html directly. I think it is kind of backward. If you want to use Sphinx, then probably you should really write in RST. Pandoc also reads RST (with some limitations) which might be useful if you want to cover something Sphinx can't do. On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 6:28:27 PM UTC-7, iromise wrote: > > yeah, there might not be some perfect methods, but I think the table can > show just like when it was in markdown format. > > 2017-10-22 0:02 GMT+08:00 John MacFarlane > >: > >> Where should it split, if there is no space for guidance? >> >> One option for RST tables would be to artificially split >> at some arbitrary location when the whole string won't fit. >> But this is going to give ugly results in general. >> >> +++ Baozheng Liu [Oct 21 17 15:56 ]: >> >>> But I think that may be pandoc should split the line for us since it >>> may take us a lot of time to make sure that space is regular... >>> >>> 2017-10-21 0:28 GMT+08:00 John MACFARLANE <[1]j...-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org >>> >: >>> >>> If you insert a regular space character, that will allow >>> pandoc to break the line. The other alternative, as noted, >>> is to use a very wide --columns setting, but that's going >>> to give you a very wide table. >>> +++ Baozheng Liu [Oct 20 17 10:52 ]: >>> >>> So will pandoc be able to solve this problem in another way? >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in >>> the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>> [2]https://groups.google.com/d/topic/pandoc-discuss/wGVGKiUhcNU >>> /unsubscribe. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>> [3]pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org . >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> [4]pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org . >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> [5]https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/20171020162 >>> 833.GB33085%40protagoras. >>> >>> For more options, visit [6]https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [7]pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org . >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> [8]pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org . >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> [9] >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/CA%2BR_OtkDLgyG67Zi >>> y6LM_zFxdWfFCiHS4MavZGzar1knQgQ7-Q%40mail.gmail.com. >>> For more options, visit [10]https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> References >>> >>> 1. mailto:j...-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org >>> 2. >>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/pandoc-discuss/wGVGKiUhcNU/unsubscribe >>> 3. mailto:pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org >>> 4. mailto:pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org >>> 5. >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/20171020162833.GB33085@protagoras >>> 6. https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>> 7. mailto:pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org >>> 8. mailto:pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org >>> 9. >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/CA+R_OtkDLgyG67Ziy6LM_zFxdWfFCiHS4MavZGzar1knQgQ7-Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer >>> 10. https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/pandoc-discuss/wGVGKiUhcNU/unsubscribe. >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org . >> To post to this group, send email to pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org >> . >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/20171021160255.GC88234%40Johns-MacBook-Pro.local >> . >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. 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If you just want to convert the table "just like when= it was in markdown format", then you should set a high column width. = Have you tried it yet?

Another option is not to use pipe= table but grid table in your markdown source, provided that you have an ea= sy way to edit grid table.

If filter is an option,= you could try <https://github.com/ickc/pantable>. e.g. you could con= vert your markdown to markdown with pantable2csv, to convert your table to = csv format first, and then add a yaml in the csv table block to manually sp= ecify width, and then convert the 2nd markdown to RST. (You might then ask = if it is possible to pipe the 3 through automatically without manual editin= g the CSV table. For now the answer is no, because Table in pandoc cannot h= ave attributes, so it is difficult to be able to provide this information t= o pantable.

In general, table in pandoc (and markdown in general) is= complicated (e.g. there are 4 different table formats). Sooner or later, a= pandoc user probably will discover some caveats and subtlety among the 4 f= ormats, and for example how other parameters like the column width might af= fect its behavior. Sometimes we might feel cursed and wish things were diff= erent, but we are blessed at least because pandoc has been consistent, and = is scriptable and extensible (through the filter system).

Another suggestion I might make is not to use Sphinx. Pandoc can wr= ite to HTML directly, have a template system that gives you a certain level= of control on the output, plus a ton of "pandoc-extras" ecosyste= m to generate websites (see more on the pandoc wiki on GitHub). May be you = can help me understand why one would do md-rst-html conversion but not md-h= tml directly. I think it is kind of backward. If you want to use Sphinx, th= en probably you should really write in RST. Pandoc also reads RST (with som= e limitations) which might be useful if you want to cover something Sphinx = can't do.

On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 6:28:27 PM UTC-7, iromi= se wrote:
yeah= , there might not be some perfect methods, but I think the table can show j= ust like when it was in markdown format.

2017-10-22 0:02 GMT+08:00 John MacFarlane <j...@berk= eley.edu>:
Where should it = split, if there is no space for guidance?

One option for RST tables would be to artificially split
at some arbitrary location when the whole string won't fit.
But this is going to give ugly results in general.

+++ Baozheng Liu [Oct 21 17 15:56 ]:
=C2=A0 But I think that may be pandoc should split the line for us since it=
=C2=A0 may take us a lot of time to make sure that space is regular...

 =C2=A0 2017-10-21 0:28 GMT+08:00 John MACFARLANE <[1]j...-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org&g= t;:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 If you insert a regular space character, that will allow
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 pandoc to break the line.=C2=A0 The other alternative, as not= ed,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 is to use a very wide --columns setting, but that's going=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 to give you a very wide table.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 +++ Baozheng Liu [Oct 20 17 10:52 ]:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 So will pandoc be able to solve this problem in anothe= r way?

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