AW: Formatting of "ibid" in v2.11.x

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Maybe that could be useful for other output formats as well, e.g biblatex?
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Yes, I also think adding a new mode would be a good idea. But I wouldn't want the current syntax to change in backwards incompatible ways, and adding more symbols that are not super evident feels a bit odd. I like the proposal to use classes for this though as that would be extensible.
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This thread helped me to realize that pandoc doesn't have the kind of citations that I use in narrative footnotes. Often I could get what I want, but not always. What I really need in footnotes is the equivalent of a BibLaTeX \cite{}. I don't want AuthorInText, I just want InText. Like Joshua, I don't want to force the author name to be included in the citation. I realize that I can often achieve this by using prefixes and suffixes on a citation instead of making a footnote, but this won't work in all cases. Specifically, it doesn't allow the footnote to have two or more paragraphs. I've also had trouble writing footnotes with citations in multiple sentences: perhaps there's a workaround, but it seemed that there always had to be a semicolon separating citations.

So if both AuthorInText and InText citations are needed, what syntax could be used? One idea would be to take @smith04 as an in-text citation, +@smith04 as an author-in-text citation, and -@smith04 as an authorless in.-text citation. That seems logical to me, but has the disadvantage of changing the meaning of @smith04. Another option would be to use attributes or classes to specify citation types, like [@smith04]{.intext}.

On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 9:12:47 PM UTC+1 John MacFarlane wrote:
Joshua <joshu...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:

> Thanks for such a helpful, prompt reply. I've loved pandoc for a long time,
> but I had no idea the support was this good. You have a superb project here.
>
> After consulting the style guides, it looks like pandoc is keeping with the
> times and I am not. I'm still a bit confused about your response to the
> second issue, though. Suppose I type:
> Blah.^[@AugustineCityGod2008, 72.] Blah.^[Compare to the competing claim in
> @AugustineCityGod2008, 46.]
>
> This then renders:
> [1] Augustine, *City of God*, 72.
> [2] Compare to the rather different claim in Augustine, ibid, 46.
>
> Whereas the behavior I intend:
> [1] Augustine, *City of God*, 72.
> [2] Compare to the rather different claim in ibid, 46.
>
> This is the behavior I achieved before upgrading pandoc, but I do not
> understand the directives I need to give in order to achieve it now. Or
> maybe I simply cannot.

It's usually better just to use inline references; in a note
style they will be automatically converted to notes.

So do this:

Blah [@AugustineCityGod2008, 72]. Blah [Compare to the competing claim in
@AugustineCityGod2008, 46].

This uses regular citations, not author-in-text citations.
Not only will it give you the ibid you want, it will also allow
you to switch easily to an author-date citation style if you
wish.

Pandoc will automatically create the notes and rearrange spacing
and punctuation.

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