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November 2020 17:36:35 An: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org Betreff: AW: Formatting of "ibid" in v2.11.x Yes, I also think adding a new mode would be a good idea. But I wouldn't wa= nt the current syntax to change in backwards incompatible ways, and adding = more symbols that are not super evident feels a bit odd. I like the proposa= l to use classes for this though as that would be extensible. ________________________________________ Von: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org im A= uftrag von jcr Gesendet: Sonntag, 15. November 2020 13:06:50 An: pandoc-discuss Betreff: Re: Formatting of "ibid" in v2.11.x This thread helped me to realize that pandoc doesn't have the kind of citat= ions that I use in narrative footnotes. Often I could get what I want, but = not always. What I really need in footnotes is the equivalent of a BibLaTeX= \cite{}. I don't want AuthorInText, I just want InText. Like Joshua, I don= 't want to force the author name to be included in the citation. I realize = that I can often achieve this by using prefixes and suffixes on a citation = instead of making a footnote, but this won't work in all cases. Specificall= y, it doesn't allow the footnote to have two or more paragraphs. I've also = had trouble writing footnotes with citations in multiple sentences: perhaps= there's a workaround, but it seemed that there always had to be a semicolo= n separating citations. So if both AuthorInText and InText citations are needed, what syntax could = be used? One idea would be to take @smith04 as an in-text citation, +@smith= 04 as an author-in-text citation, and -@smith04 as an authorless in.-text c= itation. That seems logical to me, but has the disadvantage of changing the= meaning of @smith04. Another option would be to use attributes or classes = to specify citation types, like [@smith04]{.intext}. On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 9:12:47 PM UTC+1 John MacFarlane wrote: Joshua writes: > Thanks for such a helpful, prompt reply. I've loved pandoc for a long tim= e, > but I had no idea the support was this good. You have a superb project he= re. > > After consulting the style guides, it looks like pandoc is keeping with t= he > times and I am not. I'm still a bit confused about your response to the > second issue, though. Suppose I type: > Blah.^[@AugustineCityGod2008, 72.] Blah.^[Compare to the competing claim = in > @AugustineCityGod2008, 46.] > > This then renders: > [1] Augustine, *City of God*, 72. > [2] Compare to the rather different claim in Augustine, ibid, 46. > > Whereas the behavior I intend: > [1] Augustine, *City of God*, 72. > [2] Compare to the rather different claim in ibid, 46. > > This is the behavior I achieved before upgrading pandoc, but I do not > understand the directives I need to give in order to achieve it now. Or > maybe I simply cannot. It's usually better just to use inline references; in a note style they will be automatically converted to notes. So do this: Blah [@AugustineCityGod2008, 72]. Blah [Compare to the competing claim in @AugustineCityGod2008, 46]. This uses regular citations, not author-in-text citations. Not only will it give you the ibid you want, it will also allow you to switch easily to an author-date citation style if you wish. Pandoc will automatically create the notes and rearrange spacing and punctuation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org. 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