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It's a natural learning curve for young people though. Although when I was= =20 a child there were only DOS, as I grow up with the Windows platform, I=20 almost never touch the cmd (except when partitioning HDD or ipconfig,=20 etc.). It's good that I migrated to the Mac platform later, and on Mac=20 Terminal is a bit more encouraged. (And Mac's Terminal looks much nicer to= =20 look at. Windows' cmd is pixelated font looking so scary.) Given the latest generation born with iOS/Android and may not touch a=20 computer much later (at least in US), this problem will only be more=20 severe. It's sad to see Apple's Mac was once the best UNIX experience, and= =20 they didn't put a Terminal in their UNIX OS, iOS. The first time I heard people submit their paper by programming it in=20 LaTeX, I really thought they were crazy and old school. I would say people= =20 younger than me in general would think it is impossible to imagine why some= =20 people like to work like we do (using pandoc for example). There was a TV= =20 program showing kids playing with old computers and they are so surprised= =20 to see that you really need to push the power button when the computer told= =20 you to do so. So, to me, I often worry about the future of tools like pandoc. One of the= =20 solution is "if you can't beat them, join them". i.e. a GUI around pandoc= =20 would hide away the "old-school"ness and get young people on board. I guess= =20 that's why Authorea/ShareLaTeX/etc. are becoming more popular. On Wednesday, February 1, 2017 at 3:07:19 AM UTC-8, BP Jonsson wrote: > > Oh yes, many of them suffer from if not Word addiction then WYSIWYG=20 > addiction, or command line phobia, or both. Some who pick up the idea wit= h=20 > Markdown right away still prefer WYSIWYG or can't be bothered with the=20 > extra conversion step or the command line generally. > > ons 1 feb. 2017 kl. 04:47 skrev Rick Dooling >: > >> I never pass up the chance to introduce students and collaborators to=20 >> Markdown. There are dozens of editors. Most people seem to figure it out= =20 >> within a day or two, and we're off. If Git or Github or diff is involved= I=20 >> tend to handle all of that, but I think you could just pass Markdown fil= es=20 >> back and forth. I think even committed Word users don't mind playing wit= h a=20 >> text editor.=20 >> >> RD >> >> >> On Monday, January 9, 2017 at 12:48:54 PM UTC-6, Joseph wrote: >>> >>> This isn't really pandoc related specifically, but I am curious about= =20 >>> other users.=20 >>> >>> I write *everything* in markdown and use pandoc to make slides,=20 >>> articles, books, and blogs.=20 >>> >>> None of my peers are up to collaborating in markdown using, say, git.= =20 >>> One option would be to copy my markdown into a Doc.=20 >>> (Note: I'm not creating a Doc from markdown because I don't know if thi= s=20 >>> would round trip.)=20 >>> Say I want feedback from Theresa, I create a branch "theresa," copy the= =20 >>> files into Word files, she edits the docs, I copy her modified text int= o=20 >>> her branch when she's done and merge.=20 >>> This will be weird for Theresa because there won't be any formatting,= =20 >>> although I do have a macro that formats heading and italics and such ba= sed=20 >>> on markdown regexes.=20 >>> But if we want to use Google Docs, that wouldn't work.=20 >>> In any case, this is annoying for me because I have to manually port=20 >>> text blocks.=20 >>> >>> How do other people manage this?=20 >>> >> --=20 >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s=20 >> "pandoc-discuss" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n=20 >> email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org . >> To post to this group, send email to pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org=20 >> . >> To view this discussion on the web visit=20 >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/740cfe9c-7267-4f3c-879f= -8f39ef12fc1c%40googlegroups.com=20 >> >> . >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > --=20 > > ------------------------------ > SavedURI :Show URLShow URLSavedURI : > SavedURI :Hide URLHide URLSavedURI : > > https://mail.google.com/_/scs/mail-static/_/js/k=3Dgmail.main.sv.G3GZFwvc= niQ.O/m=3Dm_i,t,it/am=3DfUAcTAoZawdGHAZ2YD-g9N_f7LL4CX7WlSgHQKgABHaCv9kToPi= BD8qOMw/rt=3Dh/d=3D1/rs=3DAItRSTO5CF1YB_frDRXLXTeUsQ1zItcBvwhttps://mail.go= ogle.com/_/scs/mail-static/_/js/k=3Dgmail.main.sv.G3GZFwvcniQ.O/m=3Dm_i,t,i= t/am=3DfUAcTAoZawdGHAZ2YD-g9N_f7LL4CX7WlSgHQKgABHaCv9kToPiBD8qOMw/rt=3Dh/d= =3D1/rs=3DAItRSTO5CF1YB_frDRXLXTeUsQ1zItcBvw=20 > =20 > > ------------------------------ > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. 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Or WYSIWYM is the case of markdown.

It&= #39;s a natural learning curve for young people though. Although when I was= a child there were only DOS, as I grow up with the Windows platform, I alm= ost never touch the cmd (except when partitioning HDD or ipconfig, etc.). I= t's good that I migrated to the Mac platform later, and on Mac Terminal= is a bit more encouraged. (And Mac's Terminal looks much nicer to look= at. Windows' cmd is pixelated font looking so scary.)

Given the latest generation born with iOS/Android and may not touc= h a computer much later (at least in US), this problem will only be more se= vere. It's sad to see Apple's Mac was once the best UNIX experience= , and they didn't put a Terminal in their UNIX OS, iOS.

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The first time I heard people submit their paper by programming i= t in LaTeX, I really thought they were crazy and old school. I would say pe= ople younger than me in general would think it is impossible to imagine why= some people like to work like we do (using pandoc for example). There was = a TV program showing kids playing with old computers and they are so surpri= sed to see that you really need to push the power button when the computer = told you to do so.

So, to me, I often worry about = the future of tools like pandoc. One of the solution is "if you can= 9;t beat them, join them". i.e. a GUI around pandoc would hide away th= e "old-school"ness and get young people on board. I guess that= 9;s why Authorea/ShareLaTeX/etc. are becoming more popular.

On Wedne= sday, February 1, 2017 at 3:07:19 AM UTC-8, BP Jonsson wrote:
Oh yes, many of them suffer from if not= Word addiction then WYSIWYG addiction, or command line phobia, or both. So= me who pick up the idea with Markdown right away still prefer=C2=A0WYSIWYG = or can't be bothered with the extra conversion step or the command line= generally.

ons 1 feb. 2017 k= l. 04:47 skrev Rick Dooling <rpdo...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>:
I never pass up the chance to introduce students an= d collaborators to Markdown. There are dozens of editors. Most people seem = to figure it out within a day or two, and we're off. If Git or Github o= r diff is involved I tend to handle all of that, but I think you could just= pass Markdown files back and forth. I think even committed Word users don&= #39;t mind playing with a text editor.

RD


On Mond= ay, January 9, 2017 at 12:48:54 PM UTC-6, Joseph wrote:
This isn't really pandoc related specifically, but = I am curious about other users.

I write *everything* in markdown and use pandoc to make slides, article= s, books, and blogs.

None of my peers are up to collaborating in markdown using, say, git.
One option would be to copy my markdown into a Doc.
(Note: I'm not creating a Doc from markdown because I don't kno= w if this would round trip.)
Say I want feedback from Theresa, I create a branch "theresa,"= ; copy the files into Word files, she edits the docs, I copy her modified t= ext into her branch when she's done and merge.
This will be weird for Theresa because there won't be any formattin= g, although I do have a macro that formats heading and italics and such bas= ed on markdown regexes.
But if we want to use Google Docs, that wouldn't work.
In any case, this is annoying for me because I have to manually port te= xt blocks.

How do other people manage this?

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