* Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but shouldn't be
@ 2021-01-05 12:07 ` Steve Lundy
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From: Steve Lundy @ 2021-01-05 12:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pandoc-discuss
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Hello there,
I have pandoc 2.11.3.2 installed and I have a problem with the date being
included in my short form footnote.
In my paper I am using the Chicago Short Note .csl from Zotero
("chicago-note-bibliography-always-short.csl"). I believe I have downloaded
the most recent version. I am using the BibTex citation key in a footnote
of a R-Markdown that outputs to .PDF in RStudio, processing through Pandoc.
This CSL file is MOSTLY getting the formatting that I want. The problem is
the date is being included in some and not others. The screen shot below
shows that #16, 18, and 22 include a date before the page number, but the
rest of them do not. I have looked at the @Citation in the .bib file and
don't notice any obvious differences.
Any ideas??
Thanks in advance,
Steve
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* Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but shouldn't be
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@ 2021-01-05 12:08 ` Steve Lundy
2021-01-05 18:04 ` John MacFarlane
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From: Steve Lundy @ 2021-01-05 12:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pandoc-discuss
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Trying the attachment again...
On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 7:07:37 AM UTC-5 Steve Lundy wrote:
> Hello there,
>
> I have pandoc 2.11.3.2 installed and I have a problem with the date being
> included in my short form footnote.
>
> In my paper I am using the Chicago Short Note .csl from Zotero
> ("chicago-note-bibliography-always-short.csl"). I believe I have downloaded
> the most recent version. I am using the BibTex citation key in a footnote
> of a R-Markdown that outputs to .PDF in RStudio, processing through Pandoc.
>
> This CSL file is MOSTLY getting the formatting that I want. The problem is
> the date is being included in some and not others. The screen shot below
> shows that #16, 18, and 22 include a date before the page number, but the
> rest of them do not. I have looked at the @Citation in the .bib file and
> don't notice any obvious differences.
>
>
> Any ideas??
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Steve
>
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* Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but shouldn't be
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From: John MacFarlane @ 2021-01-05 18:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Steve Lundy, pandoc-discuss
Hard to help without seeing the bibtex entries!
Steve Lundy <lundys-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
> Hello there,
>
> I have pandoc 2.11.3.2 installed and I have a problem with the date being
> included in my short form footnote.
>
> In my paper I am using the Chicago Short Note .csl from Zotero
> ("chicago-note-bibliography-always-short.csl"). I believe I have downloaded
> the most recent version. I am using the BibTex citation key in a footnote
> of a R-Markdown that outputs to .PDF in RStudio, processing through Pandoc.
>
> This CSL file is MOSTLY getting the formatting that I want. The problem is
> the date is being included in some and not others. The screen shot below
> shows that #16, 18, and 22 include a date before the page number, but the
> rest of them do not. I have looked at the @Citation in the .bib file and
> don't notice any obvious differences.
>
>
> Any ideas??
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Steve
>
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* AW: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but shouldn't be
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@ 2021-01-05 18:12 ` denis.maier-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ
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From: denis.maier-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ @ 2021-01-05 18:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: lundys-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w, pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw
Do you use the BetterBibtex Plugin for Zotero? If yes, I suggest you export to CSL JSON or CSL YAML instead of to bibtex/biblatex.
Anyway, as John has said, it's hardly possible to help without seeing the data involved.
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An: Steve Lundy; pandoc-discuss
Betreff: Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but shouldn't be
Hard to help without seeing the bibtex entries!
Steve Lundy <lundys-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
> Hello there,
>
> I have pandoc 2.11.3.2 installed and I have a problem with the date being
> included in my short form footnote.
>
> In my paper I am using the Chicago Short Note .csl from Zotero
> ("chicago-note-bibliography-always-short.csl"). I believe I have downloaded
> the most recent version. I am using the BibTex citation key in a footnote
> of a R-Markdown that outputs to .PDF in RStudio, processing through Pandoc.
>
> This CSL file is MOSTLY getting the formatting that I want. The problem is
> the date is being included in some and not others. The screen shot below
> shows that #16, 18, and 22 include a date before the page number, but the
> rest of them do not. I have looked at the @Citation in the .bib file and
> don't notice any obvious differences.
>
>
> Any ideas??
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Steve
>
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* Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but shouldn't be
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@ 2021-01-05 20:51 ` Steve Lundy
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From: Steve Lundy @ 2021-01-05 20:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pandoc-discuss
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My apologies.
I have attached a .zip file containing a snippet of the Rmarkdown as well
as my .bib data file.
On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 1:12:28 PM UTC-5 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org wrote:
> Do you use the BetterBibtex Plugin for Zotero? If yes, I suggest you
> export to CSL JSON or CSL YAML instead of to bibtex/biblatex.
>
> Anyway, as John has said, it's hardly possible to help without seeing the
> data involved.
>
> ________________________________________
> Von: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> im Auftrag
> von John MacFarlane <j...-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org>
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Januar 2021 19:04:34
> An: Steve Lundy; pandoc-discuss
> Betreff: Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included
> but shouldn't be
>
> Hard to help without seeing the bibtex entries!
>
> Steve Lundy <lun...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
>
> > Hello there,
> >
> > I have pandoc 2.11.3.2 installed and I have a problem with the date being
> > included in my short form footnote.
> >
> > In my paper I am using the Chicago Short Note .csl from Zotero
> > ("chicago-note-bibliography-always-short.csl"). I believe I have
> downloaded
> > the most recent version. I am using the BibTex citation key in a footnote
> > of a R-Markdown that outputs to .PDF in RStudio, processing through
> Pandoc.
> >
> > This CSL file is MOSTLY getting the formatting that I want. The problem
> is
> > the date is being included in some and not others. The screen shot below
> > shows that #16, 18, and 22 include a date before the page number, but the
> > rest of them do not. I have looked at the @Citation in the .bib file and
> > don't notice any obvious differences.
> >
> >
> > Any ideas??
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Steve
> >
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* AW: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but shouldn't be
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From: denis.maier-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ @ 2021-01-06 6:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw
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Hmm, I cannot really reproduce the issue here (see attachment).
First, your style is not a style from the official repos, but maybe this style here? https://gist.github.com/denismaier/21168acf9e9287fc41f32c7351917111
Anyway, I’ve rename your file to snipped.md (as there’s nothing R specific in there), and processed it with
pandoc snippet.md --citeproc --bibliography=biblio.bib -o output.html -s --csl=chicago-note-bibliography-always-short.csl
I don’t know which commands RStudio uses to call pandoc? It could be possible that RStudio still calls pandoc with the older `-F pandoc-citeproc` option. Or do you call pandoc manually?
And again, save your references in the “Better CSL JSON” format. (CSL JSON is the native format for CSL references, and used by Zotero and Pandoc alike. Using bibtex/biblatex as an intermediary format is at best unnecessary.
Best,
Denis
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Betreff: Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but shouldn't be
My apologies.
I have attached a .zip file containing a snippet of the Rmarkdown as well as my .bib data file.
On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 1:12:28 PM UTC-5 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org<mailto:denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Do you use the BetterBibtex Plugin for Zotero? If yes, I suggest you export to CSL JSON or CSL YAML instead of to bibtex/biblatex.
Anyway, as John has said, it's hardly possible to help without seeing the data involved.
________________________________________
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An: Steve Lundy; pandoc-discuss
Betreff: Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but shouldn't be
Hard to help without seeing the bibtex entries!
Steve Lundy <lun...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
> Hello there,
>
> I have pandoc 2.11.3.2 installed and I have a problem with the date being
> included in my short form footnote.
>
> In my paper I am using the Chicago Short Note .csl from Zotero
> ("chicago-note-bibliography-always-short.csl"). I believe I have downloaded
> the most recent version. I am using the BibTex citation key in a footnote
> of a R-Markdown that outputs to .PDF in RStudio, processing through Pandoc.
>
> This CSL file is MOSTLY getting the formatting that I want. The problem is
> the date is being included in some and not others. The screen shot below
> shows that #16, 18, and 22 include a date before the page number, but the
> rest of them do not. I have looked at the @Citation in the .bib file and
> don't notice any obvious differences.
>
>
> Any ideas??
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Steve
>
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* Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but shouldn't be
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From: Steve Lundy @ 2021-01-06 13:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pandoc-discuss
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Thanks for the reply. I tried grabbing the CSL file from the link you
provided and I get the same result, unfortunately.
I am using bookdown in Rstudio to generate the PDF. Here is what is
generated at the time of building the PDF:
-----------------------------
==> rmarkdown::render_site(output_format = 'bookdown::pdf_book', encoding =
'UTF-8')
processing file: Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.Rmd
|....................... |
33%
ordinary text without R code
|............................................... |
67%
label: unnamed-chunk-1 (with options)
List of 1
$ include: logi FALSE
|......................................................................|
100%
ordinary text without R code
"C:/Users/Steve/AppData/Local/Pandoc/pandoc" +RTS -K512m -RTS
Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.utf8.md --to latex --from
markdown+autolink_bare_uris+tex_math_single_backslash --output
Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.tex --lua-filter
"C:\Users\Steve\Documents\R\win-library\4.0\bookdown\rmarkdown\lua\custom-environment.lua"
--lua-filter
"C:\Users\Steve\Documents\R\win-library\4.0\rmarkdown\rmarkdown\lua\pagebreak.lua"
--lua-filter
"C:\Users\Steve\Documents\R\win-library\4.0\rmarkdown\rmarkdown\lua\latex-div.lua"
--metadata-file
"C:\Users\Steve\AppData\Local\Temp\RtmpA7fDzR\file29c07ce97c19"
--self-contained --table-of-contents --toc-depth 2 --number-sections
--highlight-style tango --pdf-engine xelatex --include-in-header
preamble.tex --variable graphics --wrap preserve --variable
"geometry:margin=1in" --variable tables=yes --standalone
-Mhas-frontmatter=false --citeproc
output file: Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.knit.md
-----------------------------
I can try the CSL JSON format you suggested as a next step. Thanks again.
-Steve
On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 1:54:59 AM UTC-5 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org
wrote:
> Hmm, I cannot really reproduce the issue here (see attachment).
>
>
>
> First, your style is not a style from the official repos, but maybe this
> style here?
> https://gist.github.com/denismaier/21168acf9e9287fc41f32c7351917111
>
>
>
> Anyway, I’ve rename your file to snipped.md (as there’s nothing R specific
> in there), and processed it with
>
> pandoc snippet.md --citeproc --bibliography=biblio.bib -o output.html -s
> --csl=chicago-note-bibliography-always-short.csl
>
>
>
> I don’t know which commands RStudio uses to call pandoc? It could be
> possible that RStudio still calls pandoc with the older `-F
> pandoc-citeproc` option. Or do you call pandoc manually?
>
>
>
> And again, save your references in the “Better CSL JSON” format. (CSL JSON
> is the native format for CSL references, and used by Zotero and Pandoc
> alike. Using bibtex/biblatex as an intermediary format is at best
> unnecessary.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Denis
>
>
>
> *Von:* pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> *Im
> Auftrag von *Steve Lundy
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 5. Januar 2021 21:51
> *An:* pandoc-discuss <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
> *Betreff:* Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date
> included but shouldn't be
>
>
>
> My apologies.
>
>
>
> I have attached a .zip file containing a snippet of the Rmarkdown as well
> as my .bib data file.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 1:12:28 PM UTC-5 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org
> wrote:
>
> Do you use the BetterBibtex Plugin for Zotero? If yes, I suggest you
> export to CSL JSON or CSL YAML instead of to bibtex/biblatex.
>
> Anyway, as John has said, it's hardly possible to help without seeing the
> data involved.
>
> ________________________________________
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> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Januar 2021 19:04:34
> An: Steve Lundy; pandoc-discuss
> Betreff: Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included
> but shouldn't be
>
> Hard to help without seeing the bibtex entries!
>
> Steve Lundy <lun...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
>
> > Hello there,
> >
> > I have pandoc 2.11.3.2 installed and I have a problem with the date
> being
> > included in my short form footnote.
> >
> > In my paper I am using the Chicago Short Note .csl from Zotero
> > ("chicago-note-bibliography-always-short.csl"). I believe I have
> downloaded
> > the most recent version. I am using the BibTex citation key in a
> footnote
> > of a R-Markdown that outputs to .PDF in RStudio, processing through
> Pandoc.
> >
> > This CSL file is MOSTLY getting the formatting that I want. The problem
> is
> > the date is being included in some and not others. The screen shot below
> > shows that #16, 18, and 22 include a date before the page number, but
> the
> > rest of them do not. I have looked at the @Citation in the .bib file and
> > don't notice any obvious differences.
> >
> >
> > Any ideas??
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Steve
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* Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but shouldn't be
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From: Steve Lundy @ 2021-01-08 11:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
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I tried with both CSL JSON and CSL YAML formats and unfortunately got the
same result when generating the PDF. Any other ideas?
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 8:16 AM Steve Lundy <lundys-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Thanks for the reply. I tried grabbing the CSL file from the link you
> provided and I get the same result, unfortunately.
>
> I am using bookdown in Rstudio to generate the PDF. Here is what is
> generated at the time of building the PDF:
>
> -----------------------------
> ==> rmarkdown::render_site(output_format = 'bookdown::pdf_book', encoding
> = 'UTF-8')
>
> processing file: Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.Rmd
> |.......................
> | 33%
> ordinary text without R code
>
> |...............................................
> | 67%
> label: unnamed-chunk-1 (with options)
> List of 1
> $ include: logi FALSE
>
> |......................................................................|
> 100%
> ordinary text without R code
>
>
> "C:/Users/Steve/AppData/Local/Pandoc/pandoc" +RTS -K512m -RTS
> Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.utf8.md --to latex --from
> markdown+autolink_bare_uris+tex_math_single_backslash --output
> Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.tex --lua-filter
> "C:\Users\Steve\Documents\R\win-library\4.0\bookdown\rmarkdown\lua\custom-environment.lua"
> --lua-filter
> "C:\Users\Steve\Documents\R\win-library\4.0\rmarkdown\rmarkdown\lua\pagebreak.lua"
> --lua-filter
> "C:\Users\Steve\Documents\R\win-library\4.0\rmarkdown\rmarkdown\lua\latex-div.lua"
> --metadata-file
> "C:\Users\Steve\AppData\Local\Temp\RtmpA7fDzR\file29c07ce97c19"
> --self-contained --table-of-contents --toc-depth 2 --number-sections
> --highlight-style tango --pdf-engine xelatex --include-in-header
> preamble.tex --variable graphics --wrap preserve --variable
> "geometry:margin=1in" --variable tables=yes --standalone
> -Mhas-frontmatter=false --citeproc
> output file: Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.knit.md
>
> -----------------------------
>
> I can try the CSL JSON format you suggested as a next step. Thanks again.
>
> -Steve
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 1:54:59 AM UTC-5 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org
> wrote:
>
>> Hmm, I cannot really reproduce the issue here (see attachment).
>>
>>
>>
>> First, your style is not a style from the official repos, but maybe this
>> style here?
>> https://gist.github.com/denismaier/21168acf9e9287fc41f32c7351917111
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyway, I’ve rename your file to snipped.md (as there’s nothing R
>> specific in there), and processed it with
>>
>> pandoc snippet.md --citeproc --bibliography=biblio.bib -o output.html -s
>> --csl=chicago-note-bibliography-always-short.csl
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t know which commands RStudio uses to call pandoc? It could be
>> possible that RStudio still calls pandoc with the older `-F
>> pandoc-citeproc` option. Or do you call pandoc manually?
>>
>>
>>
>> And again, save your references in the “Better CSL JSON” format. (CSL
>> JSON is the native format for CSL references, and used by Zotero and Pandoc
>> alike. Using bibtex/biblatex as an intermediary format is at best
>> unnecessary.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Denis
>>
>>
>>
>> *Von:* pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> *Im
>> Auftrag von *Steve Lundy
>> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 5. Januar 2021 21:51
>> *An:* pandoc-discuss <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
>> *Betreff:* Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date
>> included but shouldn't be
>>
>>
>>
>> My apologies.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have attached a .zip file containing a snippet of the Rmarkdown as well
>> as my .bib data file.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 1:12:28 PM UTC-5 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org
>> wrote:
>>
>> Do you use the BetterBibtex Plugin for Zotero? If yes, I suggest you
>> export to CSL JSON or CSL YAML instead of to bibtex/biblatex.
>>
>> Anyway, as John has said, it's hardly possible to help without seeing the
>> data involved.
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> Von: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> im
>> Auftrag von John MacFarlane <j...-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org>
>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Januar 2021 19:04:34
>> An: Steve Lundy; pandoc-discuss
>> Betreff: Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included
>> but shouldn't be
>>
>> Hard to help without seeing the bibtex entries!
>>
>> Steve Lundy <lun...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
>>
>> > Hello there,
>> >
>> > I have pandoc 2.11.3.2 installed and I have a problem with the date
>> being
>> > included in my short form footnote.
>> >
>> > In my paper I am using the Chicago Short Note .csl from Zotero
>> > ("chicago-note-bibliography-always-short.csl"). I believe I have
>> downloaded
>> > the most recent version. I am using the BibTex citation key in a
>> footnote
>> > of a R-Markdown that outputs to .PDF in RStudio, processing through
>> Pandoc.
>> >
>> > This CSL file is MOSTLY getting the formatting that I want. The problem
>> is
>> > the date is being included in some and not others. The screen shot
>> below
>> > shows that #16, 18, and 22 include a date before the page number, but
>> the
>> > rest of them do not. I have looked at the @Citation in the .bib file
>> and
>> > don't notice any obvious differences.
>> >
>> >
>> > Any ideas??
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance,
>> > Steve
>> >
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From: denis.maier-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ @ 2021-01-08 11:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
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To be clear, the format should have no influence here. It’s just that converting from CSL JSON to bibtex and then back to CSL JSON is unnecessary, and potentially problematic as it might result in data loss.
Have you tried with Zotero? Does the same happen there?
The date may be there due to line 1330 in the csl file where a macro called “date-disambiguate” is called. I’ve removed this in the attached version of the style. If it works for you with this version, citeproc thinks the titles with the date would otherwise be ambiguous, i.e., you have more than one item with identical author and shorttitle in your bib-file. (Or there is a bug with disambiguation…)
Best,
Denis
Von: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> Im Auftrag von Steve Lundy
Gesendet: Freitag, 8. Januar 2021 12:29
An: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
Betreff: Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but shouldn't be
I tried with both CSL JSON and CSL YAML formats and unfortunately got the same result when generating the PDF. Any other ideas?
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 8:16 AM Steve Lundy <lundys-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org<mailto:lundys@gmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks for the reply. I tried grabbing the CSL file from the link you provided and I get the same result, unfortunately.
I am using bookdown in Rstudio to generate the PDF. Here is what is generated at the time of building the PDF:
-----------------------------
==> rmarkdown::render_site(output_format = 'bookdown::pdf_book', encoding = 'UTF-8')
processing file: Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.Rmd
|....................... | 33%
ordinary text without R code
|............................................... | 67%
label: unnamed-chunk-1 (with options)
List of 1
$ include: logi FALSE
|......................................................................| 100%
ordinary text without R code
"C:/Users/Steve/AppData/Local/Pandoc/pandoc" +RTS -K512m -RTS Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.utf8.md<http://Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.utf8.md> --to latex --from markdown+autolink_bare_uris+tex_math_single_backslash --output Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.tex --lua-filter "C:\Users\Steve\Documents\R\win-library\4.0\bookdown\rmarkdown\lua\custom-environment.lua" --lua-filter "C:\Users\Steve\Documents\R\win-library\4.0\rmarkdown\rmarkdown\lua\pagebreak.lua" --lua-filter "C:\Users\Steve\Documents\R\win-library\4.0\rmarkdown\rmarkdown\lua\latex-div.lua" --metadata-file "C:\Users\Steve\AppData\Local\Temp\RtmpA7fDzR\file29c07ce97c19" --self-contained --table-of-contents --toc-depth 2 --number-sections --highlight-style tango --pdf-engine xelatex --include-in-header preamble.tex --variable graphics --wrap preserve --variable "geometry:margin=1in" --variable tables=yes --standalone -Mhas-frontmatter=false --citeproc
output file: Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.knit.md<http://Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.knit.md>
-----------------------------
I can try the CSL JSON format you suggested as a next step. Thanks again.
-Steve
On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 1:54:59 AM UTC-5 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org<mailto:denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Hmm, I cannot really reproduce the issue here (see attachment).
First, your style is not a style from the official repos, but maybe this style here? https://gist.github.com/denismaier/21168acf9e9287fc41f32c7351917111
Anyway, I’ve rename your file to snipped.md (as there’s nothing R specific in there), and processed it with
pandoc snippet.md --citeproc --bibliography=biblio.bib -o output.html -s --csl=chicago-note-bibliography-always-short.csl
I don’t know which commands RStudio uses to call pandoc? It could be possible that RStudio still calls pandoc with the older `-F pandoc-citeproc` option. Or do you call pandoc manually?
And again, save your references in the “Better CSL JSON” format. (CSL JSON is the native format for CSL references, and used by Zotero and Pandoc alike. Using bibtex/biblatex as an intermediary format is at best unnecessary.
Best,
Denis
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Betreff: Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but shouldn't be
My apologies.
I have attached a .zip file containing a snippet of the Rmarkdown as well as my .bib data file.
On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 1:12:28 PM UTC-5 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org<mailto:denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Do you use the BetterBibtex Plugin for Zotero? If yes, I suggest you export to CSL JSON or CSL YAML instead of to bibtex/biblatex.
Anyway, as John has said, it's hardly possible to help without seeing the data involved.
________________________________________
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Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Januar 2021 19:04:34
An: Steve Lundy; pandoc-discuss
Betreff: Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but shouldn't be
Hard to help without seeing the bibtex entries!
Steve Lundy <lun...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org<mailto:lun...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>> writes:
> Hello there,
>
> I have pandoc 2.11.3.2 installed and I have a problem with the date being
> included in my short form footnote.
>
> In my paper I am using the Chicago Short Note .csl from Zotero
> ("chicago-note-bibliography-always-short.csl"). I believe I have downloaded
> the most recent version. I am using the BibTex citation key in a footnote
> of a R-Markdown that outputs to .PDF in RStudio, processing through Pandoc.
>
> This CSL file is MOSTLY getting the formatting that I want. The problem is
> the date is being included in some and not others. The screen shot below
> shows that #16, 18, and 22 include a date before the page number, but the
> rest of them do not. I have looked at the @Citation in the .bib file and
> don't notice any obvious differences.
>
>
> Any ideas??
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Steve
>
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<group delimiter=" ">
<choose>
<if variable="issued submitted" match="all">
<text term="and"/>
</if>
</choose>
<!--Needs Localization-->
<text value="issued"/>
<date variable="issued" form="text"/>
</group>
</group>
</else-if>
<else>
<choose>
<if is-uncertain-date="issued">
<date variable="issued" form="text" prefix="[" suffix="?]"/>
</if>
<else>
<date variable="issued" form="text"/>
</else>
</choose>
</else>
</choose>
</if>
<else-if variable="status">
<text variable="status"/>
</else-if>
<else-if variable="accessed URL" match="all"/>
<else>
<text term="no date" form="short"/>
</else>
</choose>
</macro>
<macro name="point-locators-subsequent">
<choose>
<if type="legal_case" variable="locator" match="all">
<choose>
<if locator="page">
<group delimiter=":">
<text variable="volume"/>
<text variable="locator"/>
</group>
</if>
<else>
<group delimiter=" ">
<label variable="locator" form="short"/>
<text variable="locator"/>
</group>
</else>
</choose>
</if>
<else-if variable="locator">
<choose>
<if locator="page" match="none">
<group delimiter=" ">
<choose>
<if type="book graphic motion_picture report song" match="any">
<choose>
<if variable="volume">
<group delimiter=", ">
<group delimiter=" ">
<text term="volume" form="short"/>
<number variable="volume" form="numeric"/>
</group>
<label variable="locator" form="short"/>
</group>
</if>
<else>
<label variable="locator" form="short"/>
</else>
</choose>
</if>
<else>
<label variable="locator" form="short"/>
</else>
</choose>
<text variable="locator"/>
</group>
</if>
<else-if type="book graphic motion_picture report song" match="any">
<group delimiter=":">
<number variable="volume" form="numeric"/>
<text variable="locator"/>
</group>
</else-if>
<else>
<text variable="locator"/>
</else>
</choose>
</else-if>
</choose>
</macro>
<macro name="point-locators-join-with-colon">
<choose>
<if type="article-journal">
<choose>
<if variable="locator page" match="any">
<choose>
<if variable="volume issue" match="any">
<text macro="point-locators"/>
</if>
</choose>
</if>
</choose>
</if>
</choose>
</macro>
<macro name="point-locators-join-with-comma">
<choose>
<if type="article-journal" match="none">
<text macro="point-locators"/>
</if>
<else-if variable="volume issue" match="none">
<text macro="point-locators"/>
</else-if>
</choose>
</macro>
<macro name="point-locators">
<choose>
<if variable="locator" match="none">
<choose>
<if type="article-journal chapter paper-conference" match="any">
<text variable="page"/>
</if>
</choose>
</if>
<else-if type="article-journal">
<group delimiter=" ">
<choose>
<if locator="page" match="none">
<label variable="locator" form="short" suffix=" "/>
</if>
</choose>
<text variable="locator"/>
</group>
</else-if>
<else-if type="legal_case"/>
<else>
<group delimiter=" ">
<choose>
<if locator="page" match="none">
<label variable="locator" form="short"/>
</if>
</choose>
<text variable="locator"/>
</group>
</else>
</choose>
</macro>
<macro name="locators-chapter">
<choose>
<if type="chapter entry-dictionary entry-encyclopedia paper-conference" match="any">
<choose>
<if variable="author container-author" match="all"/>
<else>
<choose>
<if variable="page">
<text variable="volume" suffix=":"/>
<text variable="page"/>
</if>
</choose>
</else>
</choose>
</if>
</choose>
</macro>
<macro name="locators-journal-join-with-colon">
<choose>
<if type="article-journal">
<choose>
<if variable="volume issue" match="any">
<text variable="page"/>
</if>
</choose>
</if>
</choose>
</macro>
<macro name="locators-journal-join-with-comma">
<choose>
<if type="article-journal">
<choose>
<if variable="volume issue" match="none">
<text variable="page"/>
</if>
</choose>
</if>
</choose>
</macro>
<macro name="archive-note">
<choose>
<if type="thesis">
<group delimiter=" ">
<text variable="archive"/>
<text variable="archive_location" prefix="(" suffix=")"/>
</group>
</if>
<else>
<group delimiter=", ">
<text variable="archive_location"/>
<text variable="archive"/>
<text variable="archive-place"/>
</group>
</else>
</choose>
</macro>
<macro name="archive">
<choose>
<if type="thesis">
<group delimiter=" ">
<text variable="archive"/>
<text variable="archive_location" prefix="(" suffix=")"/>
</group>
</if>
<else>
<group delimiter=". ">
<text variable="archive_location" text-case="capitalize-first"/>
<text variable="archive"/>
<text variable="archive-place"/>
</group>
</else>
</choose>
</macro>
<macro name="issue-note-join-with-space">
<choose>
<if type="article-journal bill legislation legal_case manuscript thesis" variable="publisher-place event-place publisher" match="any">
<!--Chicago doesn't use publisher/place for Newspapers and we want the date delimited by a comma-->
<choose>
<if type="article-newspaper" match="none">
<choose>
<if type="article-journal" match="none">
<text macro="issue-note"/>
</if>
<else-if variable="issue volume" match="any">
<text macro="issue-note"/>
</else-if>
</choose>
</if>
</choose>
</if>
</choose>
</macro>
<macro name="issue-note-join-with-comma">
<choose>
<if type="article-journal bill legislation legal_case manuscript speech thesis" variable="publisher-place publisher" match="none">
<text macro="issue-note"/>
</if>
<else-if type="article-newspaper">
<text macro="issue-note"/>
</else-if>
<else-if type="article-journal">
<choose>
<if variable="volume issue" match="none">
<text macro="issue-note"/>
</if>
</choose>
</else-if>
</choose>
</macro>
<macro name="issue-map-graphic">
<!--See CMoS 17th ed. 14.235 and 14.237-->
<choose>
<if type="graphic map" match="any">
<choose>
<if variable="publisher publisher-place" match="none">
<text macro="issued"/>
</if>
</choose>
</if>
</choose>
</macro>
<macro name="issue-note">
<choose>
<if type="bill legislation legal_case" match="any">
<text macro="issued" prefix="(" suffix=")"/>
</if>
<else-if type="article-journal">
<choose>
<if variable="volume issue" match="any">
<text macro="issued" prefix="(" suffix=")"/>
</if>
<else>
<text macro="issued"/>
</else>
</choose>
</else-if>
<else-if type="article-newspaper">
<text macro="issued"/>
</else-if>
<else-if type="manuscript thesis speech" match="any">
<group delimiter=", " prefix="(" suffix=")">
<choose>
<if variable="title" match="any">
<text variable="genre"/>
</if>
</choose>
<text variable="event"/>
<text variable="event-place"/>
<text variable="publisher"/>
<text macro="issued"/>
</group>
</else-if>
<else-if variable="publisher-place event-place publisher" match="any">
<group prefix="(" suffix=")" delimiter=", ">
<text macro="event-note"/>
<group delimiter="; ">
<text macro="originally-published"/>
<group delimiter=", ">
<text macro="reprint-note"/>
<text macro="publisher"/>
</group>
</group>
<text macro="issued"/>
</group>
</else-if>
<else>
<text macro="issued"/>
</else>
</choose>
</macro>
<macro name="issue-join-with-space">
<choose>
<if type="article-journal" match="any">
<choose>
<if variable="issue volume" match="any">
<text macro="issue"/>
</if>
</choose>
</if>
<else-if type="bill legislation legal_case" match="any">
<text macro="issue"/>
</else-if>
</choose>
</macro>
<macro name="issue-join-with-period">
<choose>
<if type="article-journal bill legislation legal_case" match="none">
<choose>
<if type="speech" variable="publisher publisher-place" match="any">
<text macro="issue"/>
</if>
</choose>
</if>
</choose>
</macro>
<macro name="issue-join-with-comma">
<choose>
<if type="bill legislation legal_case" match="none">
<choose>
<if type="article-journal" match="none">
<choose>
<if type="speech" variable="publisher publisher-place" match="none">
<text macro="issue"/>
</if>
</choose>
</if>
<else-if variable="volume issue" match="none">
<text macro="issue"/>
</else-if>
</choose>
</if>
</choose>
</macro>
<macro name="issue">
<choose>
<if type="bill legislation legal_case" match="any">
<text macro="issued" prefix="(" suffix=")"/>
</if>
<else-if type="article-journal">
<choose>
<if variable="issue volume" match="any">
<text macro="issued" prefix="(" suffix=")"/>
</if>
<else>
<text macro="issued"/>
</else>
</choose>
</else-if>
<else-if type="speech">
<group delimiter=", ">
<group delimiter=" ">
<choose>
<if variable="title" match="none"/>
<else>
<text variable="genre" text-case="capitalize-first"/>
</else>
</choose>
<text macro="event"/>
</group>
<text variable="event-place"/>
<text macro="issued"/>
</group>
</else-if>
<!--Chicago doesn't use publisher/place for Newspapers -->
<else-if type="article-newspaper">
<text macro="issued"/>
</else-if>
<else-if variable="publisher-place publisher" match="any">
<group delimiter=", ">
<choose>
<if type="thesis">
<text variable="genre" text-case="capitalize-first"/>
</if>
</choose>
<group delimiter=". ">
<text macro="originally-published"/>
<group delimiter=", ">
<text macro="reprint"/>
<text macro="publisher"/>
</group>
</group>
<text macro="issued"/>
</group>
</else-if>
<!--location for data for maps and artwork is different-->
<else-if type="graphic map" match="none">
<text macro="issued"/>
</else-if>
</choose>
</macro>
<macro name="access-note">
<group delimiter=", ">
<choose>
<if type="graphic report" match="any">
<text macro="archive-note"/>
</if>
<else-if type="article-journal bill book chapter legal_case legislation motion_picture paper-conference" match="none">
<text macro="archive-note"/>
</else-if>
</choose>
<choose>
<if variable="issued" match="none">
<group delimiter=" ">
<text term="accessed"/>
<date variable="accessed" form="text"/>
</group>
</if>
</choose>
<choose>
<if type="legal_case" match="none">
<choose>
<if variable="DOI">
<text variable="DOI" prefix="https://doi.org/"/>
</if>
<else>
<text variable="URL"/>
</else>
</choose>
</if>
</choose>
</group>
</macro>
<macro name="access">
<group delimiter=". ">
<choose>
<if type="graphic report" match="any">
<text macro="archive"/>
</if>
<else-if type="article-journal bill book chapter legal_case legislation motion_picture paper-conference" match="none">
<text macro="archive"/>
</else-if>
</choose>
<choose>
<if variable="issued" match="none">
<group delimiter=" ">
<text term="accessed" text-case="capitalize-first"/>
<date variable="accessed" form="text"/>
</group>
</if>
</choose>
<choose>
<if type="legal_case" match="none">
<choose>
<if variable="DOI">
<text variable="DOI" prefix="https://doi.org/"/>
</if>
<else>
<text variable="URL"/>
</else>
</choose>
</if>
</choose>
</group>
</macro>
<macro name="case-locator-subsequent">
<choose>
<if type="legal_case">
<group delimiter=" ">
<text variable="volume"/>
<text variable="container-title"/>
</group>
</if>
</choose>
</macro>
<macro name="case-pinpoint-subsequent">
<choose>
<if type="legal_case">
<group delimiter=" ">
<choose>
<if locator="page">
<text term="at"/>
<text variable="locator"/>
</if>
<else>
<label variable="locator"/>
<text variable="locator"/>
</else>
</choose>
</group>
</if>
</choose>
</macro>
<citation et-al-min="4" et-al-use-first="1" disambiguate-add-names="true">
<layout suffix="." delimiter="; ">
<group delimiter=", ">
<text macro="contributors-short"/>
<group delimiter=" ">
<group delimiter=", ">
<text macro="title-short"/>
<!--if title & author are the same: -->
<!-- <text macro="date-disambiguate"/>-->
<text macro="case-locator-subsequent"/>
</group>
<text macro="case-pinpoint-subsequent"/>
</group>
<choose>
<if match="none" type="legal_case">
<text macro="point-locators-subsequent"/>
</if>
</choose>
</group>
</layout>
</citation>
<bibliography hanging-indent="true" et-al-min="11" et-al-use-first="7" subsequent-author-substitute="———" entry-spacing="0">
<sort>
<key macro="contributors-sort"/>
<key variable="title"/>
<key variable="genre"/>
<key variable="issued"/>
</sort>
<layout suffix=".">
<group delimiter=". ">
<group delimiter=": ">
<group delimiter=", ">
<group delimiter=" ">
<group delimiter=". ">
<group delimiter=" ">
<group delimiter=", ">
<group delimiter=". ">
<group delimiter=". ">
<text macro="contributors"/>
<text macro="title"/>
<text macro="issue-map-graphic"/>
</group>
<text macro="description"/>
<text macro="secondary-contributors"/>
<group delimiter=", ">
<text macro="container-title"/>
<text macro="container-contributors"/>
</group>
<text macro="locators-join-with-period"/>
</group>
<text macro="locators-join-with-comma"/>
<text macro="locators-chapter"/>
</group>
<text macro="locators-join-with-space"/>
</group>
<text macro="collection-title"/>
<text macro="issue-join-with-period"/>
</group>
<text macro="issue-join-with-space"/>
</group>
<text macro="issue-join-with-comma"/>
<text macro="locators-journal-join-with-comma"/>
<text macro="locators-newspaper"/>
</group>
<text macro="locators-journal-join-with-colon"/>
</group>
<text macro="access"/>
</group>
</layout>
</bibliography>
</style>
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* Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but shouldn't be
[not found] ` <f97e72940b8942afb51f5e4b5510436a-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org>
@ 2021-01-08 17:56 ` Steve Lundy
[not found] ` <e3630635-81c3-4e20-ae7d-7fefbe37b9f6n-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Steve Lundy @ 2021-01-08 17:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pandoc-discuss
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Denis,
Thank you very much for this help. Using the updated file you provided,
everything started working smoothly. I haven't found any issues in extra
dates being included in shorttitles, punctuation, etc.
When I looked closer at the raw data, I did find plenty of "duplicate"
author & shorttitle combinations. However, what is strange, is that I don't
believe any of the footnotes giving me trouble with insertion of date in
the footnote were duplicates. For example, @WendlandRhetoric2001 is one
where the date was inserted in the footnote, but I confirmed the author &
shorttitle combination are unique in the .bib file. Anyway, not sure if you
have any additional thought on that, but I figured I share in case you
could translate that into "oh yes of course it's happening for this
reason". :)
Thanks again for your help!
-Steve
On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 6:57:55 AM UTC-5 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org wrote:
> To be clear, the format should have no influence here. It’s just that
> converting from CSL JSON to bibtex and then back to CSL JSON is
> unnecessary, and potentially problematic as it might result in data loss.
>
>
>
> Have you tried with Zotero? Does the same happen there?
>
>
>
> The date may be there due to line 1330 in the csl file where a macro
> called “date-disambiguate” is called. I’ve removed this in the attached
> version of the style. If it works for you with this version, citeproc
> thinks the titles with the date would otherwise be ambiguous, i.e., you
> have more than one item with identical author and shorttitle in your
> bib-file. (Or there is a bug with disambiguation…)
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Denis
>
>
>
> *Von:* pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> *Im
> Auftrag von *Steve Lundy
> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 8. Januar 2021 12:29
> *An:* pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
> *Betreff:* Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date
> included but shouldn't be
>
>
>
> I tried with both CSL JSON and CSL YAML formats and unfortunately got the
> same result when generating the PDF. Any other ideas?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 8:16 AM Steve Lundy <lun...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the reply. I tried grabbing the CSL file from the link you
> provided and I get the same result, unfortunately.
>
>
>
> I am using bookdown in Rstudio to generate the PDF. Here is what is
> generated at the time of building the PDF:
>
>
>
> -----------------------------
>
> ==> rmarkdown::render_site(output_format = 'bookdown::pdf_book', encoding
> = 'UTF-8')
>
>
>
> processing file: Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.Rmd
>
> |.......................
> | 33%
>
> ordinary text without R code
>
>
>
> |...............................................
> | 67%
>
> label: unnamed-chunk-1 (with options)
>
> List of 1
>
> $ include: logi FALSE
>
>
>
> |......................................................................|
> 100%
>
> ordinary text without R code
>
>
>
>
>
> "C:/Users/Steve/AppData/Local/Pandoc/pandoc" +RTS -K512m -RTS
> Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.utf8.md --to latex --from
> markdown+autolink_bare_uris+tex_math_single_backslash --output
> Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.tex --lua-filter
> "C:\Users\Steve\Documents\R\win-library\4.0\bookdown\rmarkdown\lua\custom-environment.lua"
> --lua-filter
> "C:\Users\Steve\Documents\R\win-library\4.0\rmarkdown\rmarkdown\lua\pagebreak.lua"
> --lua-filter
> "C:\Users\Steve\Documents\R\win-library\4.0\rmarkdown\rmarkdown\lua\latex-div.lua"
> --metadata-file
> "C:\Users\Steve\AppData\Local\Temp\RtmpA7fDzR\file29c07ce97c19"
> --self-contained --table-of-contents --toc-depth 2 --number-sections
> --highlight-style tango --pdf-engine xelatex --include-in-header
> preamble.tex --variable graphics --wrap preserve --variable
> "geometry:margin=1in" --variable tables=yes --standalone
> -Mhas-frontmatter=false --citeproc
>
> output file: Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.knit.md
>
>
>
> -----------------------------
>
>
>
> I can try the CSL JSON format you suggested as a next step. Thanks again.
>
>
>
> -Steve
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 1:54:59 AM UTC-5 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org
> wrote:
>
> Hmm, I cannot really reproduce the issue here (see attachment).
>
>
>
> First, your style is not a style from the official repos, but maybe this
> style here?
> https://gist.github.com/denismaier/21168acf9e9287fc41f32c7351917111
>
>
>
> Anyway, I’ve rename your file to snipped.md (as there’s nothing R specific
> in there), and processed it with
>
> pandoc snippet.md --citeproc --bibliography=biblio.bib -o output.html -s
> --csl=chicago-note-bibliography-always-short.csl
>
>
>
> I don’t know which commands RStudio uses to call pandoc? It could be
> possible that RStudio still calls pandoc with the older `-F
> pandoc-citeproc` option. Or do you call pandoc manually?
>
>
>
> And again, save your references in the “Better CSL JSON” format. (CSL JSON
> is the native format for CSL references, and used by Zotero and Pandoc
> alike. Using bibtex/biblatex as an intermediary format is at best
> unnecessary.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Denis
>
>
>
> *Von:* pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> *Im
> Auftrag von *Steve Lundy
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 5. Januar 2021 21:51
> *An:* pandoc-discuss <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
> *Betreff:* Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date
> included but shouldn't be
>
>
>
> My apologies.
>
>
>
> I have attached a .zip file containing a snippet of the Rmarkdown as well
> as my .bib data file.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 1:12:28 PM UTC-5 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org
> wrote:
>
> Do you use the BetterBibtex Plugin for Zotero? If yes, I suggest you
> export to CSL JSON or CSL YAML instead of to bibtex/biblatex.
>
> Anyway, as John has said, it's hardly possible to help without seeing the
> data involved.
>
> ________________________________________
> Von: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> im Auftrag
> von John MacFarlane <j...-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org>
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Januar 2021 19:04:34
> An: Steve Lundy; pandoc-discuss
> Betreff: Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included
> but shouldn't be
>
> Hard to help without seeing the bibtex entries!
>
> Steve Lundy <lun...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
>
> > Hello there,
> >
> > I have pandoc 2.11.3.2 installed and I have a problem with the date
> being
> > included in my short form footnote.
> >
> > In my paper I am using the Chicago Short Note .csl from Zotero
> > ("chicago-note-bibliography-always-short.csl"). I believe I have
> downloaded
> > the most recent version. I am using the BibTex citation key in a
> footnote
> > of a R-Markdown that outputs to .PDF in RStudio, processing through
> Pandoc.
> >
> > This CSL file is MOSTLY getting the formatting that I want. The problem
> is
> > the date is being included in some and not others. The screen shot below
> > shows that #16, 18, and 22 include a date before the page number, but
> the
> > rest of them do not. I have looked at the @Citation in the .bib file and
> > don't notice any obvious differences.
> >
> >
> > Any ideas??
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Steve
> >
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* AW: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but shouldn't be
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From: denis.maier-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ @ 2021-01-08 19:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw
Can you try converting your file without using bookdown? Just converting with a basic pandoc call?
Pandoc file.md --citeproc --csl=file.csl --bibliography=file.bib
Just to exclude it has something to do with your Rmarkdown/bookdown pipeline.
________________________________________
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An: pandoc-discuss
Betreff: Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but shouldn't be
Denis,
Thank you very much for this help. Using the updated file you provided, everything started working smoothly. I haven't found any issues in extra dates being included in shorttitles, punctuation, etc.
When I looked closer at the raw data, I did find plenty of "duplicate" author & shorttitle combinations. However, what is strange, is that I don't believe any of the footnotes giving me trouble with insertion of date in the footnote were duplicates. For example, @WendlandRhetoric2001 is one where the date was inserted in the footnote, but I confirmed the author & shorttitle combination are unique in the .bib file. Anyway, not sure if you have any additional thought on that, but I figured I share in case you could translate that into "oh yes of course it's happening for this reason". :)
Thanks again for your help!
-Steve
On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 6:57:55 AM UTC-5 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org wrote:
To be clear, the format should have no influence here. It’s just that converting from CSL JSON to bibtex and then back to CSL JSON is unnecessary, and potentially problematic as it might result in data loss.
Have you tried with Zotero? Does the same happen there?
The date may be there due to line 1330 in the csl file where a macro called “date-disambiguate” is called. I’ve removed this in the attached version of the style. If it works for you with this version, citeproc thinks the titles with the date would otherwise be ambiguous, i.e., you have more than one item with identical author and shorttitle in your bib-file. (Or there is a bug with disambiguation…)
Best,
Denis
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Betreff: Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but shouldn't be
I tried with both CSL JSON and CSL YAML formats and unfortunately got the same result when generating the PDF. Any other ideas?
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 8:16 AM Steve Lundy <lun...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Thanks for the reply. I tried grabbing the CSL file from the link you provided and I get the same result, unfortunately.
I am using bookdown in Rstudio to generate the PDF. Here is what is generated at the time of building the PDF:
-----------------------------
==> rmarkdown::render_site(output_format = 'bookdown::pdf_book', encoding = 'UTF-8')
processing file: Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.Rmd
|....................... | 33%
ordinary text without R code
|............................................... | 67%
label: unnamed-chunk-1 (with options)
List of 1
$ include: logi FALSE
|......................................................................| 100%
ordinary text without R code
"C:/Users/Steve/AppData/Local/Pandoc/pandoc" +RTS -K512m -RTS Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.utf8.md<http://Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.utf8.md> --to latex --from markdown+autolink_bare_uris+tex_math_single_backslash --output Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.tex --lua-filter "C:\Users\Steve\Documents\R\win-library\4.0\bookdown\rmarkdown\lua\custom-environment.lua" --lua-filter "C:\Users\Steve\Documents\R\win-library\4.0\rmarkdown\rmarkdown\lua\pagebreak.lua" --lua-filter "C:\Users\Steve\Documents\R\win-library\4.0\rmarkdown\rmarkdown\lua\latex-div.lua" --metadata-file "C:\Users\Steve\AppData\Local\Temp\RtmpA7fDzR\file29c07ce97c19" --self-contained --table-of-contents --toc-depth 2 --number-sections --highlight-style tango --pdf-engine xelatex --include-in-header preamble.tex --variable graphics --wrap preserve --variable "geometry:margin=1in" --variable tables=yes --standalone -Mhas-frontmatter=false --citeproc
output file: Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.knit.md<http://Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.knit.md>
-----------------------------
I can try the CSL JSON format you suggested as a next step. Thanks again.
-Steve
On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 1:54:59 AM UTC-5 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org wrote:
Hmm, I cannot really reproduce the issue here (see attachment).
First, your style is not a style from the official repos, but maybe this style here? https://gist.github.com/denismaier/21168acf9e9287fc41f32c7351917111
Anyway, I’ve rename your file to snipped.md (as there’s nothing R specific in there), and processed it with
pandoc snippet.md --citeproc --bibliography=biblio.bib -o output.html -s --csl=chicago-note-bibliography-always-short.csl
I don’t know which commands RStudio uses to call pandoc? It could be possible that RStudio still calls pandoc with the older `-F pandoc-citeproc` option. Or do you call pandoc manually?
And again, save your references in the “Better CSL JSON” format. (CSL JSON is the native format for CSL references, and used by Zotero and Pandoc alike. Using bibtex/biblatex as an intermediary format is at best unnecessary.
Best,
Denis
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Betreff: Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but shouldn't be
My apologies.
I have attached a .zip file containing a snippet of the Rmarkdown as well as my .bib data file.
On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 1:12:28 PM UTC-5 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org wrote:
Do you use the BetterBibtex Plugin for Zotero? If yes, I suggest you export to CSL JSON or CSL YAML instead of to bibtex/biblatex.
Anyway, as John has said, it's hardly possible to help without seeing the data involved.
________________________________________
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An: Steve Lundy; pandoc-discuss
Betreff: Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but shouldn't be
Hard to help without seeing the bibtex entries!
Steve Lundy <lun...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
> Hello there,
>
> I have pandoc 2.11.3.2 installed and I have a problem with the date being
> included in my short form footnote.
>
> In my paper I am using the Chicago Short Note .csl from Zotero
> ("chicago-note-bibliography-always-short.csl"). I believe I have downloaded
> the most recent version. I am using the BibTex citation key in a footnote
> of a R-Markdown that outputs to .PDF in RStudio, processing through Pandoc.
>
> This CSL file is MOSTLY getting the formatting that I want. The problem is
> the date is being included in some and not others. The screen shot below
> shows that #16, 18, and 22 include a date before the page number, but the
> rest of them do not. I have looked at the @Citation in the .bib file and
> don't notice any obvious differences.
>
>
> Any ideas??
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Steve
>
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* AW: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but shouldn't be
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From: denis.maier-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ @ 2021-01-12 14:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw
Steve, did you try this? Or, can you send me your files so I can test with real files,
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Betreff: AW: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but shouldn't be
Can you try converting your file without using bookdown? Just converting with a basic pandoc call?
Pandoc file.md --citeproc --csl=file.csl --bibliography=file.bib
Just to exclude it has something to do with your Rmarkdown/bookdown pipeline.
________________________________________
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Gesendet: Freitag, 8. Januar 2021 18:56:33
An: pandoc-discuss
Betreff: Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but shouldn't be
Denis,
Thank you very much for this help. Using the updated file you provided, everything started working smoothly. I haven't found any issues in extra dates being included in shorttitles, punctuation, etc.
When I looked closer at the raw data, I did find plenty of "duplicate" author & shorttitle combinations. However, what is strange, is that I don't believe any of the footnotes giving me trouble with insertion of date in the footnote were duplicates. For example, @WendlandRhetoric2001 is one where the date was inserted in the footnote, but I confirmed the author & shorttitle combination are unique in the .bib file. Anyway, not sure if you have any additional thought on that, but I figured I share in case you could translate that into "oh yes of course it's happening for this reason". :)
Thanks again for your help!
-Steve
On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 6:57:55 AM UTC-5 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org wrote:
To be clear, the format should have no influence here. It’s just that converting from CSL JSON to bibtex and then back to CSL JSON is unnecessary, and potentially problematic as it might result in data loss.
Have you tried with Zotero? Does the same happen there?
The date may be there due to line 1330 in the csl file where a macro called “date-disambiguate” is called. I’ve removed this in the attached version of the style. If it works for you with this version, citeproc thinks the titles with the date would otherwise be ambiguous, i.e., you have more than one item with identical author and shorttitle in your bib-file. (Or there is a bug with disambiguation…)
Best,
Denis
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Betreff: Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but shouldn't be
I tried with both CSL JSON and CSL YAML formats and unfortunately got the same result when generating the PDF. Any other ideas?
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 8:16 AM Steve Lundy <lun...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Thanks for the reply. I tried grabbing the CSL file from the link you provided and I get the same result, unfortunately.
I am using bookdown in Rstudio to generate the PDF. Here is what is generated at the time of building the PDF:
-----------------------------
==> rmarkdown::render_site(output_format = 'bookdown::pdf_book', encoding = 'UTF-8')
processing file: Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.Rmd
|....................... | 33%
ordinary text without R code
|............................................... | 67%
label: unnamed-chunk-1 (with options)
List of 1
$ include: logi FALSE
|......................................................................| 100%
ordinary text without R code
"C:/Users/Steve/AppData/Local/Pandoc/pandoc" +RTS -K512m -RTS Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.utf8.md<http://Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.utf8.md> --to latex --from markdown+autolink_bare_uris+tex_math_single_backslash --output Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.tex --lua-filter "C:\Users\Steve\Documents\R\win-library\4.0\bookdown\rmarkdown\lua\custom-environment.lua" --lua-filter "C:\Users\Steve\Documents\R\win-library\4.0\rmarkdown\rmarkdown\lua\pagebreak.lua" --lua-filter "C:\Users\Steve\Documents\R\win-library\4.0\rmarkdown\rmarkdown\lua\latex-div.lua" --metadata-file "C:\Users\Steve\AppData\Local\Temp\RtmpA7fDzR\file29c07ce97c19" --self-contained --table-of-contents --toc-depth 2 --number-sections --highlight-style tango --pdf-engine xelatex --include-in-header preamble.tex --variable graphics --wrap preserve --variable "geometry:margin=1in" --variable tables=yes --standalone -Mhas-frontmatter=false --citeproc
output file: Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.knit.md<http://Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.knit.md>
-----------------------------
I can try the CSL JSON format you suggested as a next step. Thanks again.
-Steve
On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 1:54:59 AM UTC-5 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org wrote:
Hmm, I cannot really reproduce the issue here (see attachment).
First, your style is not a style from the official repos, but maybe this style here? https://gist.github.com/denismaier/21168acf9e9287fc41f32c7351917111
Anyway, I’ve rename your file to snipped.md (as there’s nothing R specific in there), and processed it with
pandoc snippet.md --citeproc --bibliography=biblio.bib -o output.html -s --csl=chicago-note-bibliography-always-short.csl
I don’t know which commands RStudio uses to call pandoc? It could be possible that RStudio still calls pandoc with the older `-F pandoc-citeproc` option. Or do you call pandoc manually?
And again, save your references in the “Better CSL JSON” format. (CSL JSON is the native format for CSL references, and used by Zotero and Pandoc alike. Using bibtex/biblatex as an intermediary format is at best unnecessary.
Best,
Denis
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Betreff: Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but shouldn't be
My apologies.
I have attached a .zip file containing a snippet of the Rmarkdown as well as my .bib data file.
On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 1:12:28 PM UTC-5 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org wrote:
Do you use the BetterBibtex Plugin for Zotero? If yes, I suggest you export to CSL JSON or CSL YAML instead of to bibtex/biblatex.
Anyway, as John has said, it's hardly possible to help without seeing the data involved.
________________________________________
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An: Steve Lundy; pandoc-discuss
Betreff: Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but shouldn't be
Hard to help without seeing the bibtex entries!
Steve Lundy <lun...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
> Hello there,
>
> I have pandoc 2.11.3.2 installed and I have a problem with the date being
> included in my short form footnote.
>
> In my paper I am using the Chicago Short Note .csl from Zotero
> ("chicago-note-bibliography-always-short.csl"). I believe I have downloaded
> the most recent version. I am using the BibTex citation key in a footnote
> of a R-Markdown that outputs to .PDF in RStudio, processing through Pandoc.
>
> This CSL file is MOSTLY getting the formatting that I want. The problem is
> the date is being included in some and not others. The screen shot below
> shows that #16, 18, and 22 include a date before the page number, but the
> rest of them do not. I have looked at the @Citation in the .bib file and
> don't notice any obvious differences.
>
>
> Any ideas??
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Steve
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* AW: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but shouldn't be
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From: denis.maier-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ @ 2021-01-13 12:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Steve has sent me the files and I could reproduce the error. It looks like citeproc misinterprets CSL's disambiguation feature. I'll open an issue on the issue tracker.
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> discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> Im Auftrag von denis.maier-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Januar 2021 15:16
> An: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
> Betreff: AW: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but
> shouldn't be
>
> Steve, did you try this? Or, can you send me your files so I can test with real
> files,
>
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> Gesendet: Freitag, 8. Januar 2021 20:49:23
> An: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
> Betreff: AW: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but
> shouldn't be
>
> Can you try converting your file without using bookdown? Just converting
> with a basic pandoc call?
> Pandoc file.md --citeproc --csl=file.csl --bibliography=file.bib Just to exclude it
> has something to do with your Rmarkdown/bookdown pipeline.
>
> ________________________________________
> Von: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-
> discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> im Auftrag von Steve Lundy
> <lundys-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
> Gesendet: Freitag, 8. Januar 2021 18:56:33
> An: pandoc-discuss
> Betreff: Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but
> shouldn't be
>
> Denis,
>
> Thank you very much for this help. Using the updated file you provided,
> everything started working smoothly. I haven't found any issues in extra
> dates being included in shorttitles, punctuation, etc.
>
> When I looked closer at the raw data, I did find plenty of "duplicate" author &
> shorttitle combinations. However, what is strange, is that I don't believe any
> of the footnotes giving me trouble with insertion of date in the footnote
> were duplicates. For example, @WendlandRhetoric2001 is one where the
> date was inserted in the footnote, but I confirmed the author & shorttitle
> combination are unique in the .bib file. Anyway, not sure if you have any
> additional thought on that, but I figured I share in case you could translate
> that into "oh yes of course it's happening for this reason". :)
>
> Thanks again for your help!
> -Steve
>
> On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 6:57:55 AM UTC-5 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org wrote:
> To be clear, the format should have no influence here. It’s just that
> converting from CSL JSON to bibtex and then back to CSL JSON is
> unnecessary, and potentially problematic as it might result in data loss.
>
> Have you tried with Zotero? Does the same happen there?
>
> The date may be there due to line 1330 in the csl file where a macro called
> “date-disambiguate” is called. I’ve removed this in the attached version of
> the style. If it works for you with this version, citeproc thinks the titles with
> the date would otherwise be ambiguous, i.e., you have more than one item
> with identical author and shorttitle in your bib-file. (Or there is a bug with
> disambiguation…)
>
> Best,
> Denis
>
> Von: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> Im
> Auftrag von Steve Lundy
> Gesendet: Freitag, 8. Januar 2021 12:29
> An: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
> Betreff: Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but
> shouldn't be
>
> I tried with both CSL JSON and CSL YAML formats and unfortunately got the
> same result when generating the PDF. Any other ideas?
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 8:16 AM Steve Lundy <lun...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Thanks for the reply. I tried grabbing the CSL file from the link you provided
> and I get the same result, unfortunately.
>
> I am using bookdown in Rstudio to generate the PDF. Here is what is
> generated at the time of building the PDF:
>
> -----------------------------
> ==> rmarkdown::render_site(output_format = 'bookdown::pdf_book',
> encoding = 'UTF-8')
>
> processing file: Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.Rmd
> |....................... | 33%
> ordinary text without R code
>
> |............................................... | 67%
> label: unnamed-chunk-1 (with options)
> List of 1
> $ include: logi FALSE
>
> |......................................................................| 100%
> ordinary text without R code
>
>
> "C:/Users/Steve/AppData/Local/Pandoc/pandoc" +RTS -K512m -RTS
> Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.utf8.md<http://Multimodal-Reading-
> Bookdown.utf8.md> --to latex --from
> markdown+autolink_bare_uris+tex_math_single_backslash --output
> Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.tex --lua-filter
> "C:\Users\Steve\Documents\R\win-
> library\4.0\bookdown\rmarkdown\lua\custom-environment.lua" --lua-filter
> "C:\Users\Steve\Documents\R\win-
> library\4.0\rmarkdown\rmarkdown\lua\pagebreak.lua" --lua-filter
> "C:\Users\Steve\Documents\R\win-
> library\4.0\rmarkdown\rmarkdown\lua\latex-div.lua" --metadata-file
> "C:\Users\Steve\AppData\Local\Temp\RtmpA7fDzR\file29c07ce97c19" --
> self-contained --table-of-contents --toc-depth 2 --number-sections --
> highlight-style tango --pdf-engine xelatex --include-in-header preamble.tex -
> -variable graphics --wrap preserve --variable "geometry:margin=1in" --
> variable tables=yes --standalone -Mhas-frontmatter=false --citeproc output
> file: Multimodal-Reading-Bookdown.knit.md<http://Multimodal-Reading-
> Bookdown.knit.md>
>
> -----------------------------
>
> I can try the CSL JSON format you suggested as a next step. Thanks again.
>
> -Steve
>
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 1:54:59 AM UTC-5 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org
> wrote:
> Hmm, I cannot really reproduce the issue here (see attachment).
>
> First, your style is not a style from the official repos, but maybe this style
> here?
> https://gist.github.com/denismaier/21168acf9e9287fc41f32c7351917111
>
> Anyway, I’ve rename your file to snipped.md (as there’s nothing R specific in
> there), and processed it with pandoc snippet.md --citeproc --
> bibliography=biblio.bib -o output.html -s --csl=chicago-note-bibliography-
> always-short.csl
>
> I don’t know which commands RStudio uses to call pandoc? It could be
> possible that RStudio still calls pandoc with the older `-F pandoc-citeproc`
> option. Or do you call pandoc manually?
>
> And again, save your references in the “Better CSL JSON” format. (CSL JSON
> is the native format for CSL references, and used by Zotero and Pandoc alike.
> Using bibtex/biblatex as an intermediary format is at best unnecessary.
>
> Best,
> Denis
>
> Von: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> Im
> Auftrag von Steve Lundy
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Januar 2021 21:51
> An: pandoc-discuss <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
> Betreff: Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but
> shouldn't be
>
> My apologies.
>
> I have attached a .zip file containing a snippet of the Rmarkdown as well as
> my .bib data file.
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 1:12:28 PM UTC-5 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org
> wrote:
> Do you use the BetterBibtex Plugin for Zotero? If yes, I suggest you export to
> CSL JSON or CSL YAML instead of to bibtex/biblatex.
>
> Anyway, as John has said, it's hardly possible to help without seeing the data
> involved.
>
> ________________________________________
> Von: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> im
> Auftrag von John MacFarlane <j...-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org>
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Januar 2021 19:04:34
> An: Steve Lundy; pandoc-discuss
> Betreff: Re: Inconsistent short notes with Zotero/BibTex - Date included but
> shouldn't be
>
> Hard to help without seeing the bibtex entries!
>
> Steve Lundy <lun...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
>
> > Hello there,
> >
> > I have pandoc 2.11.3.2 installed and I have a problem with the date
> > being included in my short form footnote.
> >
> > In my paper I am using the Chicago Short Note .csl from Zotero
> > ("chicago-note-bibliography-always-short.csl"). I believe I have
> > downloaded the most recent version. I am using the BibTex citation key
> > in a footnote of a R-Markdown that outputs to .PDF in RStudio, processing
> through Pandoc.
> >
> > This CSL file is MOSTLY getting the formatting that I want. The
> > problem is the date is being included in some and not others. The
> > screen shot below shows that #16, 18, and 22 include a date before the
> > page number, but the rest of them do not. I have looked at the
> > @Citation in the .bib file and don't notice any obvious differences.
> >
> >
> > Any ideas??
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Steve
> >
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