DTP Formats

DTP Formats

[Trevor Jenkins]

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Two issues around using pandoc for DTP purposes. Firstly the link on the home page https://pandoc.org/index.html <https://pandoc.org/index.html> to documentation of Adobe’s ICML is dead. It leads to a Page not found error. I also can’t find any copy still online.

Secondly, more positively I hope, has anyone created a reader/writer for Scribus’ format? The only mentions of Scribus to this groups were several years ago.

Oh and because I’m no good at maths thirdly there used to be copious examples of Lua reader/writer functions providing a graded introduction to using these within pandoc. Sadly no longer any mention of these on the web site. Have they been retired with the recent changes to pandoc itself?
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Regards, Trevor.

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Re: DTP Formats

[Leonard Rosenthol]

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Trevor - what do you want/need to know about ICML?  I believe the
documentation is part of the InDesign SDK.

Leonard

On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 1:52 PM Trevor Jenkins <bslwannabe-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> Two issues around using pandoc for DTP purposes. Firstly the link on the
> home page https://pandoc.org/index.html to documentation of Adobe’s ICML
> is dead. It leads to a Page not found error. I also can’t find any copy
> still online.
>
> Secondly, more positively I hope, has anyone created a reader/writer for
> Scribus’ format? The only mentions of Scribus to this groups were several
> years ago.
>
> Oh and because I’m no good at maths thirdly there used to be copious
> examples of Lua reader/writer functions providing a graded introduction to
> using these within pandoc. Sadly no longer any mention of these on the web
> site. Have they been retired with the recent changes to pandoc itself?
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>
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Re: DTP Formats

[Trevor Jenkins]

On 17 Aug 2022, at 19:45, Leonard Rosenthol <leonardr-bM6h3K5UM15l57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> Trevor - what do you want/need to know about ICML?  I believe the documentation is part of the InDesign SDK.

As a sometime member of WG8 my interest is nothing more than intellectual curiosity, But the broken link is important.

Although it did raise my question of whether pandoc could process Scribus documents into/from other formats. And subsequent general question of the absence of the simple introduction/excmples for using Lua.

Regards, Trevor.

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Re: DTP Formats

[Leonard Rosenthol]

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Yes, I have notified the relevant people and hopefully we'll get it fixed.
 (we updated to a new system so things something get lost...)

No support for Scribus in pandoc currently, though that might be an
interesting thing to try to do with the new Lua reader/writer
functionality.  Alternatively, it does support importing Word files and you
could go that route - but, of course, that wouldn't be automatic.

Leonard

On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:51 AM Trevor Jenkins <bslwannabe-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> On 17 Aug 2022, at 19:45, Leonard Rosenthol <leonardr-bM6h3K5UM15l57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Trevor - what do you want/need to know about ICML?  I believe the
> documentation is part of the InDesign SDK.
>
> As a sometime member of WG8 my interest is nothing more than intellectual
> curiosity, But the broken link is important.
>
> Although it did raise my question of whether pandoc could process Scribus
> documents into/from other formats. And subsequent general question of the
> absence of the simple introduction/excmples for using Lua.
>
> Regards, Trevor.
>
> <>< Re: deemed!
>
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Re: DTP Formats

[perro tuerto]

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I am working on a Scribus writer --- it stills need a lot of work but the 
work in progress is here 
<https://gitlab.com/prolibreros/docs/tutorial-ssp/-/tree/no-masters/src/static/writers>. 
The main difficulty for Scribus writer is that its structure is “flat”. For 
example, what it is usual for html (or other xml format) is a nested 
structure like this:

<div class="dd"><p class="pp">I have a <strong>strong and 
<em>italic</em></strong>.</p><p>Other paragraph.</p></div><p>I am 
outside.</p>

Where there are nested blocks and inlines (I ignore attr for clearness):

Div [Para [ Str, Space, Str, Space, Str, Space, Strong [ Str, Space, Str, 
Space, Emph [ Str]], Str], Para [ Str, Space, Str]], Para [Str, Space, Str, 
Space, Str]

But in Scribus, same structure should be like the following:

<ITEXT CH="I have a "/>
<ITEXT CPARENT="Strong" CH="strong and "/>
<ITEXT CPARENT="StrongEmph" CH="italic"/>
<ITEXT CH="."/>
<para PARENT="ddpp"/>
<ITEXT CH="Other paragraph."/>
<para PARENT="dd"/>
<ITEXT CH="I am outside."/>
<para />

So the must difficult task I am trying to solve is how to flat the 
structure and inherit the attributes --- as far as I noted, only classes 
have to be inherit. In the first test I tried to solve it by pure regex, 
lol, it worked except the inheritance of inline atrributes. In the second 
try it seems it could work, but I have to continue working and refactor the 
code for the classic writer --- to late I come to realize that the new 
writer works when you don't need to rewrite everything, which it is not 
this case.

So, if anyone has an idea of how to solve this problem (elements flattening 
and attributes inheritance), I will be happy to know :D

El jueves, 18 de agosto de 2022 a las 5:20:16 UTC-7, leon...-bM6h3K5UM15l57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org 
escribió:

> Yes, I have notified the relevant people and hopefully we'll get it 
> fixed.   (we updated to a new system so things something get lost...)
>
> No support for Scribus in pandoc currently, though that might be an 
> interesting thing to try to do with the new Lua reader/writer 
> functionality.  Alternatively, it does support importing Word files and you 
> could go that route - but, of course, that wouldn't be automatic.
>
> Leonard
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:51 AM Trevor Jenkins <bslwa...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>> On 17 Aug 2022, at 19:45, Leonard Rosenthol <leon...-bM6h3K5UM15l57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Trevor - what do you want/need to know about ICML?  I believe the 
>> documentation is part of the InDesign SDK.
>>
>> As a sometime member of WG8 my interest is nothing more than intellectual 
>> curiosity, But the broken link is important.
>>
>> Although it did raise my question of whether pandoc could process Scribus 
>> documents into/from other formats. And subsequent general question of the 
>> absence of the simple introduction/excmples for using Lua.
>>
>> Regards, Trevor.
>>
>> <>< Re: deemed!
>>
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Re: DTP Formats

[John MacFarlane]

One approach could be to keep a global stack of attributes.

function Strong(el)
  -- add "Strong" to the attribute stack
  -- process the children of el
  -- remove "Strong" from the top of the attribute stack
end

function Str(el)
  -- get all the attributes from the current attribute stack
  -- output an ITEXT node with these attributes
end

> On Oct 20, 2022, at 9:12 AM, perro tuerto <nika.zhenya-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> 
> I am working on a Scribus writer --- it stills need a lot of work but the work in progress is here. The main difficulty for Scribus writer is that its structure is “flat”. For example, what it is usual for html (or other xml format) is a nested structure like this:
> 
> <div class="dd"><p class="pp">I have a <strong>strong and <em>italic</em></strong>.</p><p>Other paragraph.</p></div><p>I am outside.</p>
> 
> Where there are nested blocks and inlines (I ignore attr for clearness):
> 
> Div [Para [ Str, Space, Str, Space, Str, Space, Strong [ Str, Space, Str, Space, Emph [ Str]], Str], Para [ Str, Space, Str]], Para [Str, Space, Str, Space, Str]
> 
> But in Scribus, same structure should be like the following:
> 
> <ITEXT CH="I have a "/>
> <ITEXT CPARENT="Strong" CH="strong and "/>
> <ITEXT CPARENT="StrongEmph" CH="italic"/>
> <ITEXT CH="."/>
> <para PARENT="ddpp"/>
> <ITEXT CH="Other paragraph."/>
> <para PARENT="dd"/>
> <ITEXT CH="I am outside."/>
> <para />
> 
> So the must difficult task I am trying to solve is how to flat the structure and inherit the attributes --- as far as I noted, only classes have to be inherit. In the first test I tried to solve it by pure regex, lol, it worked except the inheritance of inline atrributes. In the second try it seems it could work, but I have to continue working and refactor the code for the classic writer --- to late I come to realize that the new writer works when you don't need to rewrite everything, which it is not this case.
> 
> So, if anyone has an idea of how to solve this problem (elements flattening and attributes inheritance), I will be happy to know :D
> 
> El jueves, 18 de agosto de 2022 a las 5:20:16 UTC-7, leon...-bM6h3K5UM154beGV+Eop3g@public.gmane.orgm escribió:
> Yes, I have notified the relevant people and hopefully we'll get it fixed.   (we updated to a new system so things something get lost...)
> 
> No support for Scribus in pandoc currently, though that might be an interesting thing to try to do with the new Lua reader/writer functionality.  Alternatively, it does support importing Word files and you could go that route - but, of course, that wouldn't be automatic.
> 
> Leonard
> 
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:51 AM Trevor Jenkins <bslwa...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On 17 Aug 2022, at 19:45, Leonard Rosenthol <leon...-bM6h3K5UM15l57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> 
> > Trevor - what do you want/need to know about ICML?  I believe the documentation is part of the InDesign SDK.
> 
> As a sometime member of WG8 my interest is nothing more than intellectual curiosity, But the broken link is important.
> 
> Although it did raise my question of whether pandoc could process Scribus documents into/from other formats. And subsequent general question of the absence of the simple introduction/excmples for using Lua.
> 
> Regards, Trevor.
> 
> <>< Re: deemed!
> 
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Re: DTP Formats

[perro tuerto]

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Oh, ok, looks way more easy like that. So in all inlines and blocks I will 
try to add/remove global stack and only in Str I will use those attrs to 
create the itext.
El viernes, 21 de octubre de 2022 a las 9:36:11 UTC-7, fiddlosopher 
escribió:

> One approach could be to keep a global stack of attributes.
>
> function Strong(el)
> -- add "Strong" to the attribute stack
> -- process the children of el
> -- remove "Strong" from the top of the attribute stack
> end
>
> function Str(el)
> -- get all the attributes from the current attribute stack
> -- output an ITEXT node with these attributes
> end
>
> > On Oct 20, 2022, at 9:12 AM, perro tuerto <nika....-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > 
> > I am working on a Scribus writer --- it stills need a lot of work but 
> the work in progress is here. The main difficulty for Scribus writer is 
> that its structure is “flat”. For example, what it is usual for html (or 
> other xml format) is a nested structure like this:
> > 
> > <div class="dd"><p class="pp">I have a <strong>strong and 
> <em>italic</em></strong>.</p><p>Other paragraph.</p></div><p>I am 
> outside.</p>
> > 
> > Where there are nested blocks and inlines (I ignore attr for clearness):
> > 
> > Div [Para [ Str, Space, Str, Space, Str, Space, Strong [ Str, Space, 
> Str, Space, Emph [ Str]], Str], Para [ Str, Space, Str]], Para [Str, Space, 
> Str, Space, Str]
> > 
> > But in Scribus, same structure should be like the following:
> > 
> > <ITEXT CH="I have a "/>
> > <ITEXT CPARENT="Strong" CH="strong and "/>
> > <ITEXT CPARENT="StrongEmph" CH="italic"/>
> > <ITEXT CH="."/>
> > <para PARENT="ddpp"/>
> > <ITEXT CH="Other paragraph."/>
> > <para PARENT="dd"/>
> > <ITEXT CH="I am outside."/>
> > <para />
> > 
> > So the must difficult task I am trying to solve is how to flat the 
> structure and inherit the attributes --- as far as I noted, only classes 
> have to be inherit. In the first test I tried to solve it by pure regex, 
> lol, it worked except the inheritance of inline atrributes. In the second 
> try it seems it could work, but I have to continue working and refactor the 
> code for the classic writer --- to late I come to realize that the new 
> writer works when you don't need to rewrite everything, which it is not 
> this case.
> > 
> > So, if anyone has an idea of how to solve this problem (elements 
> flattening and attributes inheritance), I will be happy to know :D
> > 
> > El jueves, 18 de agosto de 2022 a las 5:20:16 UTC-7, 
> leon...-bM6h3K5UM15l57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org escribió:
> > Yes, I have notified the relevant people and hopefully we'll get it 
> fixed. (we updated to a new system so things something get lost...)
> > 
> > No support for Scribus in pandoc currently, though that might be an 
> interesting thing to try to do with the new Lua reader/writer 
> functionality. Alternatively, it does support importing Word files and you 
> could go that route - but, of course, that wouldn't be automatic.
> > 
> > Leonard
> > 
> > On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:51 AM Trevor Jenkins <bslwa...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> 
> wrote:
> > On 17 Aug 2022, at 19:45, Leonard Rosenthol <leon...-bM6h3K5UM15l57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > > Trevor - what do you want/need to know about ICML? I believe the 
> documentation is part of the InDesign SDK.
> > 
> > As a sometime member of WG8 my interest is nothing more than 
> intellectual curiosity, But the broken link is important.
> > 
> > Although it did raise my question of whether pandoc could process 
> Scribus documents into/from other formats. And subsequent general question 
> of the absence of the simple introduction/excmples for using Lua.
> > 
> > Regards, Trevor.
> > 
> > <>< Re: deemed!
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