Old version in Ubuntu repository - can this be updated?

Old version in Ubuntu repository - can this be updated?

[Keunes]

[-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 938 bytes --]

Hello,
I'm using pandoc with Zettlr, and installed pandoc through my default 
repository on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. It seems, though, I'm not using the latest 
pandoc version, and I see that's because the latest version available for 
Ubuntu 18.04 is not the most recent pandoc version, according 
to https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=pandoc

Anyone an idea why this might be? Is that because Canonical freezes 
packages, or has there been no-one to take up the task of updating pandoc 
for Ubuntu 18.04?

Curious to learn!

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/f0bb39f2-9fd4-4a43-9395-49172e168639%40googlegroups.com.

[-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1308 bytes --]

Re: [Ext Sender] Old version in Ubuntu repository - can this be updated?

[Gerard O'Keefe]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2975 bytes --]

Not sure the reason why Ubuntu Bionic is so far behind, but I find the
Docker image is far easier to use anyway. No messing with dependencies, all
the requirements are just built in, it just works, and it's rarely more
than a minor version behind for more than a week.

On Sat., Feb. 8, 2020, 09:41 Keunes, <koen.glotzbach-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> Hello,
> I'm using pandoc with Zettlr, and installed pandoc through my default
> repository on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. It seems, though, I'm not using the latest
> pandoc version, and I see that's because the latest version available for
> Ubuntu 18.04 is not the most recent pandoc version, according to
> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=pandoc
>
> Anyone an idea why this might be? Is that because Canonical freezes
> packages, or has there been no-one to take up the task of updating pandoc
> for Ubuntu 18.04?
>
> Curious to learn!
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "pandoc-discuss" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> To view this discussion on the web visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/f0bb39f2-9fd4-4a43-9395-49172e168639%40googlegroups.com
> <https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=085ebfcc-54ccfdde-085e90f0-002590f32594-8d0d8b7cb053f6f8&q=1&e=06e23ff1-2a1e-4dd8-9aba-a9251a55abad&u=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fpandoc-discuss%2Ff0bb39f2-9fd4-4a43-9395-49172e168639%2540googlegroups.com%3Futm_medium%3Demail%26utm_source%3Dfooter>
> .
>

-- 
If you have received this email in error, please let me know by return 
email so I can make sure it doesn't happen again. Because emails can 
contain confidential and privileged material, I'd ask for your help by 
deleting it and any attachments. Thanks!


We like to keep people up to 
date with information about new products and services at ATB or changes 
that could affect you. You can check out more about ATB and CASL at 
http://www.atb.com/important-information/privacy-security/Pages/ATB-and-CASL.aspx 
<http://www.atb.com/important-information/privacy-security/Pages/ATB-and-CASL.aspx> 



If you would like to unsubscribe from our updates, please use this URL - 
http://www.atb.com/important-information/privacy-security/Pages/unsubscribe.aspx 
<http://www.atb.com/important-information/privacy-security/Pages/unsubscribe.aspx>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/CAJsLpFNBS22XOF31NCnkpVmBkwXpWhUfuoiDFqk32Xc2BWkWHA%40mail.gmail.com.

[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 4437 bytes --]

Re: Old version in Ubuntu repository - can this be updated?

[Joost Kremers]

On Sat, Feb 08 2020, Keunes wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm using pandoc with Zettlr, and installed pandoc through my 
> default 
> repository on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. It seems, though, I'm not using 
> the latest 
> pandoc version, and I see that's because the latest version 
> available for 
> Ubuntu 18.04 is not the most recent pandoc version, according 
> to https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=pandoc
>
> Anyone an idea why this might be? Is that because Canonical 
> freezes 
> packages, or has there been no-one to take up the task of 
> updating pandoc 
> for Ubuntu 18.04?

Distros often freeze the packages they ship with specific versions 
and only include bug fixes and fixes for security issues. The idea 
behind this is that major updates of packages may involve changes 
in functionality that could affect more than just the package 
itself. Ubuntu 18.04 still defaults to Python 2.7, for example, 
even though it's been officially retired as of January 1, 2020. 
Making Python 3 the standard Python version would involve changing 
everything on the system that depends on Python 2, however, so 
that sort of thing is usually only done for a major version 
upgrade of the distro itself.

Of course, such a strategy doesn't work very well for software 
that doesn't distinguish between a maintenance and a development 
branch, which, as far as I can tell, is the case for Pandoc.

There is a .deb-package for Debian/Ubuntu-based distros on the 
download page, which is what I always use. (I'm on Elementary OS 
5, which is based on Ubuntu 18.04).

HTH


-- 
Joost Kremers
Life has its moments

Old version in Ubuntu repository - can this be updated?

[Kolen Cheung]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1489 bytes --]

This is really the problem of LTS like this. When you choose a distro or version (such as Ubuntu with same distro but 18.04 LTS or 19.10) you should also consider this. LTS sounds nice when you think it’s going to be stable and don’t need to worry about breaking changes for 2 years. But it also means the versions are essentially freezes for 2 years. Worse for Red Hat / CentOS.

Some distro has rolling release model, meaning it is always latest. It sounds scary to some as that might be more unstable but in reality it often is not. Upgrading once per 2 years means it is more likely for something to have too much breaking changes. So some people using LTS actually only upgrade when it is no longer supported (like 5 years or more.)

In the case of pandoc, if you want to stay latest then you should install it on your own from those github releases.

Alternatively consider using a package manager on Linux that is independent of the OS package manager. One such example is Linuxbrew which is very useful when dealing with ancient Linux distro and version.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/5bfdb10f-baee-4d93-ac4d-6c8f2e95d2d9%40googlegroups.com.