Re: Changing colons to full-stops in titles

[John Carter Wood <woodjo-ZOsAvrTRSvuEhhMi0yms2Q@public.gmane.org>]

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That's very interesting, thanks! I'll try it out when I get a chance in the 
coming days. 

I have thought about this issue of false positives while thinking about the 
option of some kind of filter. But...I think they would be very rare. I 
have a hard time thinking of a title with a colon in it that shouldn't be 
-- in this case -- be turned into a dot. At least, I don't have anything in 
my 1,200 references where I can see that that wouldn't apply.

Although, of course, I'm sure there are some out there...

Just a question: would this also ensure that the first word after the dot 
is capitalised? Or does that open a new series of problems? :-)



denis...-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org schrieb am Freitag, 1. Juli 2022 um 18:17:02 UTC+2:

> Here’s a very simple and absolutely unreliable version of a filter. This 
> will replace every colon in a title with a period.
>
>  
>
> ```lua
>
> local stringify = pandoc.utils.stringify
>
> function Meta(m)
>
>   if m.references ~= nil then
>
>     for _, el in ipairs (m.references) do
>
>       print(stringify(el.title))
>
>       el.title = pandoc.Str(string.gsub(stringify(el.title), ':', '.'))
>
>       print(el.title)
>
>     end
>
>   end
>
>   return m
>
> end
>
> ```
>
>  
>
> Question is how this can be made robust enough to avoid false positives.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *Von:* pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> *Im 
> Auftrag von *John Carter Wood
> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 1. Juli 2022 17:52
> *An:* pandoc-discuss <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
> *Betreff:* Re: Changing colons to full-stops in titles
>
>  
>
> Thanks for the suggestions, a couple of which are kind of stretching my 
> knowledge of these things, but I see where they're going. 
>
> As to JGM's question: I am using a CSL json bibliography, so my titles are 
> in a single field. ("title":"Science and religion: new perspectives on the 
> dialogue")
>
> The issue is that *most* of the journals / publishers I publish in use, as 
> here, the colon. *Some* (mainly German) styles want the period. If I were 
> solely interested in either one, I could choose and just enter the relevant 
> punctuation in the title field. However, I want to continue saving my 
> bibliographic entries with a colon (because that's the most standard one 
> for me), but have the option of automatically converting them to a period 
> for those cases where I need to. If that makes sense. 
>
> Thus: going through denis's options: 
>
> 1. I have switched to json bibliographies from bibtex/biblatex as they 
> seemed to offer more flexibility (I was running into issue with the strange 
> archival references I have to make in my field, and JSON seemed to work 
> better in that regard). So this seems to not apply. 
>
> 2. Seems to not apply, as I have a single title field
>
> 3. Sounds really interesting, and I use BBT, though it also sounds like I 
> would here have to create a separate bibliography file from my Zotero 
> database for those publishers/styles that require the dot. This is not 
> *too* onerous, as it would at least be automated. 
>
> 4. Having a filter that I could simply apply (as part of a pandoc command, 
> say) or not apply as relevant seems like the most flexible / efficient 
> solution. I don't know lua, but if this is one possible way, then I could 
> use it as a (hopefully fairly simple?) way into learning it. 
>
>  
>
> Does this help to clarify my situation?
>
>  
>
> denis...-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org schrieb am Freitag, 1. Juli 2022 um 17:34:55 UTC+2:
>
> Yes, that’s a known issue...
>
> There are a couple of possible solutions :
>
>  
>
> 1. use biblatex databases and patch pandoc so it will concat title and 
> subtitle fields using periods. (line 667 
> https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/blob/master/src/Text/Pandoc/Citeproc/BibTeX.hs
> )
>
>  
>
> 2. I think pandoc’s citeproc will just treat every unknown variable as a 
> string variable (see 
> https://github.com/jgm/citeproc/blob/3f94424db469c804cf2dac2d22dc7a18b614f43e/src/Citeproc/Types.hs#L1054 
> and 
> https://github.com/jgm/citeproc/blob/3f94424db469c804cf2dac2d22dc7a18b614f43e/src/Citeproc/Types.hs#L901), 
> so you should be able to use «subtitle» in styles. (This will give you 
> warnings when using the style with Zotero and it won’t work reliably across 
> implementations, but anyway ...)
>
>  
>
> 3. if you’re using Zotero, you can leverage Zotero BBT’s postscript 
> feature to manipulate the JSON after exporting.
>
> E.g., this one :
>
> if (Translator.BetterCSL && item.title) {
>
>   reference.title = reference.title.replace(/ : /g, '. ')
>
> }
>
> Not bullet-proof, but simple. You will want to choose a better separator, 
> maybe a double-bar or so.
>
>  
>
> 4. Doing the with lua should also be possible...
>
>  
>
> The question is: do you have the subtitle in a distinct field or is it 
> just in the title field?
>
>  
>
> *Von:* pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> *Im 
> Auftrag von *John Carter Wood
> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 1. Juli 2022 16:39
> *An:* pandoc-discuss <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
> *Betreff:* Changing colons to full-stops in titles
>
>  
>
> I have one final (for now...) issue in setting up a CSL file (which I use 
> with pandoc/citeproc and references in a json file). 
>
>  
>
> I'm not sure whether this is a CSL issue or whether it's an issue that can 
> be solved via using a filter (or some other solution) in pandoc, but I 
> thought there might be some people here who might have faced a similar 
> issue. 
>
>  
>
> The house style for here (German-based publisher) wants a *full-stop/period 
> *between main title and subtitle in citations / bibliographies; US/UK 
> standard is a *colon* between main title and subtitle. And reference 
> managers like Zotero -- IIUC -- save titles as single fields (at least they 
> are in my version of Zotero). So it doesn't seem like it is possible to 
> control what delimiter is used between them via CSL. 
>
>
> I have found various discussions of relevant title/subtitle division 
> issues -- some going back quite a few years -- in forums on Zotero: 
>
>
> https://forums.zotero.org/discussion/8077/separate-fields-for-title-and-subtitle/
>
> ...and CSL:
>
>
> https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/handling-main-sub-title-splits-citeproc-js/1563/11
>
>  
>
> However, these were in part discussions among developers about *possible* 
> changes, and I'm not sure of the current status of this issue or whether 
> there is a way to handle it. 
>
> Would it be possible to automate turning colons in titles into full-stops 
> via using a filter? If so is there such a filter already around? Can this 
> be done via CSL?
>
>  
>
> Or is this, as of now, impossible?
>
> (Or is there a real simple solution that I have, as usual, overlooked...) 
>
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