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[23.83.222.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h18si700180qko.7.2022.01.10.06.32.01 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 10 Jan 2022 06:32:03 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of joseph.2011-T1oY19WcHSwdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org designates 23.83.222.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=23.83.222.44; X-Sender-Id: a2hosting|x-authuser|joseph-T1oY19WcHSwdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org Original-Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0298219D3 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2022 14:31:57 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from az1-ss21.a2hosting.com (unknown [127.0.0.6]) (Authenticated sender: a2hosting) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 567AA20478 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2022 14:31:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: a2hosting|x-authuser|joseph-T1oY19WcHSwdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org Original-Received: from az1-ss21.a2hosting.com (az1-ss21.a2hosting.com [68.66.224.43]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 100.115.218.6 (trex/6.4.3); Mon, 10 Jan 2022 14:31:57 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: a2hosting|x-authuser|joseph-T1oY19WcHSwdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: a2hosting X-Army-Bubble: 171c44c22a6257a2_1641825117695_2344276904 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1641825117695:4249733917 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1641825117695 Original-Received: from c-73-149-23-48.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([73.149.23.48]:58602 helo=[192.168.0.50]) by az1-ss21.a2hosting.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1n6viG-0001MD-8K for pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2022 07:31:56 -0700 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-AuthUser: joseph-T1oY19WcHSwdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org X-Original-Sender: joseph.2011-T1oY19WcHSwdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@reagle.org header.s=default header.b=ftu789xm; spf=pass (google.com: domain of joseph.2011-T1oY19WcHSwdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org designates 23.83.222.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=joseph.2011-T1oY19WcHSwdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1007024079513 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.text.pandoc:29936 Archived-At: On 22-01-07 17:40, John MacFarlane wrote: > Remember, when the smart extension is applied to a *writer*, it > means that straight quotes will be used. Ah, thank you. I had read the documentation [1] but hadn't understood this.= First, because "plain" isn't even listed as a possible output format, I wo= ndered if that means there should be no change at all? Perhaps we should sp= ecify this is true of all output format, or all output text formats? And yo= u do have the warning: > Note: If you are writing Markdown, then the smart extension has the rever= se effect: what would have been curly quotes comes out straight. But this seemed the opposite of what you say above. In any case, I think sp= ecificity would help, such as saying "to=3D...+smart yields straight punctu= ation." [1]: https://pandoc.org/MANUAL.html#extension-smart (The idea is that > you're producing output that would be interpreted by something > with 'smart' support.) When you disable smart, curly quotes > are used. It's a bit counterintuitive but it makes sense when > you think about it. (There's a recent thread on this list about > it.) >=20 > You can use `-t plain+smart` if you don't want this. >=20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= pandoc-discuss/f3d9e422-7e0c-a80d-eaa5-de4c6ecc94bd%40reagle.org.