* citeproc and "related" field @ 2019-08-19 21:15 Guido Milanese [not found] ` <6a9af74f-d011-4733-a984-7c8f460ee41c-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Guido Milanese @ 2019-08-19 21:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pandoc-discuss [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1025 bytes --] I am seriously experimenting pandoc filter "citeproc" as an interesting alternative to the workflow I am more used to, i.e. markdown to write and then compilation -- through pandoc -- as LaTeX + biber + Biblatex. I noticed that the filter supports the BibTeX "crossref" field (e.g. an article published in a volume of Proceedings) but not the "related" fields, such as "translationof", "multivolume" and the like. Is this feature planned? This would be a great advantage for those who save data in BibTeX format. Thank you. The pandoc "constellation" is incredibly useful and truly smart. guido (NW Italy) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/6a9af74f-d011-4733-a984-7c8f460ee41c%40googlegroups.com. [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1446 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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* Re: citeproc and "related" field [not found] ` <6a9af74f-d011-4733-a984-7c8f460ee41c-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> @ 2019-08-20 6:17 ` John MacFarlane [not found] ` <m2pnl0icnm.fsf-pgq/RBwaQ+zq8tPRBa0AtqxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: John MacFarlane @ 2019-08-20 6:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Guido Milanese, pandoc-discuss The question is whether CSL has any variables corresponding to these things. http://docs.citationstyles.org/en/stable/specification.html#standard-variables If so, we could try to be smarter about translating from bibtex/biblatex to citeproc json. If not, then it's out of scope for pandoc-citeproc. Guido Milanese <guido.milanese-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes: > I am seriously experimenting pandoc filter "citeproc" as an interesting > alternative to the workflow I am more used to, i.e. markdown to write and > then compilation -- through pandoc -- as LaTeX + biber + Biblatex. I > noticed that the filter supports the BibTeX "crossref" field (e.g. an > article published in a volume of Proceedings) but not the "related" fields, > such as "translationof", "multivolume" and the like. Is this feature > planned? This would be a great advantage for those who save data in BibTeX > format. > > Thank you. The pandoc "constellation" is incredibly useful and truly smart. > > guido (NW Italy) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/6a9af74f-d011-4733-a984-7c8f460ee41c%40googlegroups.com. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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* Re: citeproc and "related" field [not found] ` <m2pnl0icnm.fsf-pgq/RBwaQ+zq8tPRBa0AtqxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org> @ 2019-08-20 7:06 ` 'Nick Bart' via pandoc-discuss 2019-08-20 8:22 ` Guido Milanese 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: 'Nick Bart' via pandoc-discuss @ 2019-08-20 7:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw To the best of my knowledge, CSL does not provide any mechanisms for dealing with relations between different items. (For example, that’s why pandoc-citeproc needs to pull all the data from a `crossref`ed item and fold it into the `crossref`ing item when translating from bibtex/biblatex to CSL JSON/YAML.) CSL-M has “`cs:alternative` to add supplementary reference information to a cited item, such as a translation or reprint” (https://citeproc-js.readthedocs.io/en/latest/csl-m/index.html#cs-alternative-extension), but even if we were to consider adding CSL-M extensions to pandoc-citeproc, we would still have to fold all the information from a number of different biblatex items (translation/reprint; orig. lang. version; earlier print; …) into one CSL JSON/YAML item. Anyone who sees this a unsatisfactory could of course submit a proposal for enhancing CSL itself (https://github.com/citation-style-language/schema/issues). ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 6:17 AM, John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> wrote: > The question is whether CSL has any variables corresponding to > these things. > > http://docs.citationstyles.org/en/stable/specification.html#standard-variables > > If so, we could try to be smarter about translating from > bibtex/biblatex to citeproc json. If not, then it's out of scope > for pandoc-citeproc. > > Guido Milanese guido.milanese-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org writes: > > > I am seriously experimenting pandoc filter "citeproc" as an interesting > > alternative to the workflow I am more used to, i.e. markdown to write and > > then compilation -- through pandoc -- as LaTeX + biber + Biblatex. I > > noticed that the filter supports the BibTeX "crossref" field (e.g. an > > article published in a volume of Proceedings) but not the "related" fields, > > such as "translationof", "multivolume" and the like. Is this feature > > planned? This would be a great advantage for those who save data in BibTeX > > format. > > Thank you. The pandoc "constellation" is incredibly useful and truly smart. > > guido (NW Italy) > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/6a9af74f-d011-4733-a984-7c8f460ee41c%40googlegroups.com. > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/m2pnl0icnm.fsf%40johnmacfarlane.net. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/_YdyL8q3jBoJ-JMffharjdfWIMGA7ANVgMtHkCOOd7CneS3SPlY32aCAKl1VkkVLkrNoomKBp42dHQ3crkF5-OAsr330aQphFgdAvZ4j43k%3D%40protonmail.com. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: citeproc and "related" field 2019-08-20 7:06 ` 'Nick Bart' via pandoc-discuss @ 2019-08-20 8:22 ` Guido Milanese [not found] ` <CAFsD75Q1dfQT8X5Q9usctbf9rdUPzDdPPLaELUHB0Sk0yUqbpw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Guido Milanese @ 2019-08-20 8:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 5104 bytes --] Thank you. Indeed, the CSL variables for translation/reprint and the like are the same of the old BibTeX files, now deprecated by the Biblatex format. This new format is much more practical, but I agree that a conversion would be a bit heavy. A sort of pre-filter should read the related entry, extract the needed data (e.g. title), add data with a new label (e.g. original-title), and reshape the cited item. Not difficult, but a bit cumbersome. Do you think that a proposal would be worth submitting? Il giorno mar 20 ago 2019 alle ore 09:06 'Nick Bart' via pandoc-discuss < pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> ha scritto: > To the best of my knowledge, CSL does not provide any mechanisms for > dealing with relations between different items. (For example, that’s why > pandoc-citeproc needs to pull all the data from a `crossref`ed item and > fold it into the `crossref`ing item when translating from bibtex/biblatex > to CSL JSON/YAML.) > > CSL-M has “`cs:alternative` to add supplementary reference information to > a cited item, such as a translation or reprint” ( > https://citeproc-js.readthedocs.io/en/latest/csl-m/index.html#cs-alternative-extension), > but even if we were to consider adding CSL-M extensions to pandoc-citeproc, > we would still have to fold all the information from a number of different > biblatex items (translation/reprint; orig. lang. version; earlier print; …) > into one CSL JSON/YAML item. > > Anyone who sees this a unsatisfactory could of course submit a proposal > for enhancing CSL itself ( > https://github.com/citation-style-language/schema/issues). > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 6:17 AM, John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> > wrote: > > > The question is whether CSL has any variables corresponding to > > these things. > > > > > http://docs.citationstyles.org/en/stable/specification.html#standard-variables > > > > If so, we could try to be smarter about translating from > > bibtex/biblatex to citeproc json. If not, then it's out of scope > > for pandoc-citeproc. > > > > Guido Milanese guido.milanese-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org writes: > > > > > I am seriously experimenting pandoc filter "citeproc" as an interesting > > > alternative to the workflow I am more used to, i.e. markdown to write > and > > > then compilation -- through pandoc -- as LaTeX + biber + Biblatex. I > > > noticed that the filter supports the BibTeX "crossref" field (e.g. an > > > article published in a volume of Proceedings) but not the "related" > fields, > > > such as "translationof", "multivolume" and the like. Is this feature > > > planned? This would be a great advantage for those who save data in > BibTeX > > > format. > > > Thank you. The pandoc "constellation" is incredibly useful and truly > smart. > > > guido (NW Italy) > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/6a9af74f-d011-4733-a984-7c8f460ee41c%40googlegroups.com > . > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/m2pnl0icnm.fsf%40johnmacfarlane.net > . > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/pandoc-discuss/gcv2qSIRn0c/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/_YdyL8q3jBoJ-JMffharjdfWIMGA7ANVgMtHkCOOd7CneS3SPlY32aCAKl1VkkVLkrNoomKBp42dHQ3crkF5-OAsr330aQphFgdAvZ4j43k%3D%40protonmail.com > . > -- Guido Milanese - Professor of Classics - Docteur H.C. Paris ICP Universita' Cattolica d.S.C., Milano - Brescia http://docenti.unicatt.it/ita/guido_fabrizio_milanese <http://www.arsantiqua.org> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/CAFsD75Q1dfQT8X5Q9usctbf9rdUPzDdPPLaELUHB0Sk0yUqbpw%40mail.gmail.com. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 7622 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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* Re: citeproc and "related" field [not found] ` <CAFsD75Q1dfQT8X5Q9usctbf9rdUPzDdPPLaELUHB0Sk0yUqbpw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> @ 2019-08-20 9:54 ` Denis Maier 0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Denis Maier @ 2019-08-20 9:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pandoc-discuss [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 5488 bytes --] Of course, it is worth to submit an issue for this. But don't expect this to be incorporated to quickly. There are still quite a few old debts left ... Denis Am Dienstag, 20. August 2019 10:22:57 UTC+2 schrieb Guido Milanese: > > Thank you. Indeed, the CSL variables for translation/reprint and the like > are the same of the old BibTeX files, now deprecated by the Biblatex > format. This new format is much more practical, but I agree that a > conversion would be a bit heavy. A sort of pre-filter should read the > related entry, extract the needed data (e.g. title), add data with a new > label (e.g. original-title), and reshape the cited item. Not difficult, > but a bit cumbersome. Do you think that a proposal would be worth > submitting? > > Il giorno mar 20 ago 2019 alle ore 09:06 'Nick Bart' via pandoc-discuss < > pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <javascript:>> ha scritto: > >> To the best of my knowledge, CSL does not provide any mechanisms for >> dealing with relations between different items. (For example, that’s why >> pandoc-citeproc needs to pull all the data from a `crossref`ed item and >> fold it into the `crossref`ing item when translating from bibtex/biblatex >> to CSL JSON/YAML.) >> >> CSL-M has “`cs:alternative` to add supplementary reference information to >> a cited item, such as a translation or reprint” ( >> https://citeproc-js.readthedocs.io/en/latest/csl-m/index.html#cs-alternative-extension), >> but even if we were to consider adding CSL-M extensions to pandoc-citeproc, >> we would still have to fold all the information from a number of different >> biblatex items (translation/reprint; orig. lang. version; earlier print; …) >> into one CSL JSON/YAML item. >> >> Anyone who sees this a unsatisfactory could of course submit a proposal >> for enhancing CSL itself ( >> https://github.com/citation-style-language/schema/issues). >> >> >> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ >> On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 6:17 AM, John MacFarlane <j...-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org >> <javascript:>> wrote: >> >> > The question is whether CSL has any variables corresponding to >> > these things. >> > >> > >> http://docs.citationstyles.org/en/stable/specification.html#standard-variables >> > >> > If so, we could try to be smarter about translating from >> > bibtex/biblatex to citeproc json. If not, then it's out of scope >> > for pandoc-citeproc. >> > >> > Guido Milanese guido....-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <javascript:> writes: >> > >> > > I am seriously experimenting pandoc filter "citeproc" as an >> interesting >> > > alternative to the workflow I am more used to, i.e. markdown to write >> and >> > > then compilation -- through pandoc -- as LaTeX + biber + Biblatex. I >> > > noticed that the filter supports the BibTeX "crossref" field (e.g. an >> > > article published in a volume of Proceedings) but not the "related" >> fields, >> > > such as "translationof", "multivolume" and the like. Is this feature >> > > planned? This would be a great advantage for those who save data in >> BibTeX >> > > format. >> > > Thank you. The pandoc "constellation" is incredibly useful and truly >> smart. >> > > guido (NW Italy) >> > > -- >> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. >> > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <javascript:>. >> > > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/6a9af74f-d011-4733-a984-7c8f460ee41c%40googlegroups.com >> . >> > >> > -- >> > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <javascript:>. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/m2pnl0icnm.fsf%40johnmacfarlane.net >> . >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/pandoc-discuss/gcv2qSIRn0c/unsubscribe. >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <javascript:>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/_YdyL8q3jBoJ-JMffharjdfWIMGA7ANVgMtHkCOOd7CneS3SPlY32aCAKl1VkkVLkrNoomKBp42dHQ3crkF5-OAsr330aQphFgdAvZ4j43k%3D%40protonmail.com >> . >> > > > -- > Guido Milanese - Professor of Classics - Docteur H.C. Paris ICP > Universita' Cattolica d.S.C., Milano - Brescia > http://docenti.unicatt.it/ita/guido_fabrizio_milanese > <http://www.arsantiqua.org> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/f8bb8e36-e9ad-4498-904c-1424d726dfa8%40googlegroups.com. [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 12100 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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