Pandoc and OPML

Pandoc and OPML

[Chris Lott]

Greetings! Are there any plans in the works for including OPML as an
input and/or input format?

c
--
Chris Lott <chris-qMDBG1KJBpwBXFe83j6qeQ@public.gmane.org>

Re: Pandoc and OPML

[John MacFarlane]

None that I know of...

+++ Chris Lott [Mar 15 13 09:13 ]:
> Greetings! Are there any plans in the works for including OPML as an
> input and/or input format?
> 
> c
> --
> Chris Lott <chris-qMDBG1KJBpwBXFe83j6qeQ@public.gmane.org>
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
> 
> 

Re: Pandoc and OPML

[Chris Lott]

Well, it would be awesome if it Pandoc could read OPML. The reason:
most outliners/mind map tools create OPML and, along with markdown
text notes, are a great base for longer form writing. MultiMarkdown
Composer can read some OPML, but only the top level, not the
notes...and most opml2markdown tools don't handle line breaks in the
text notes well (or almost at all).

c


On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:28 PM, John MacFarlane <fiddlosopher-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> None that I know of...
>
> +++ Chris Lott [Mar 15 13 09:13 ]:
>> Greetings! Are there any plans in the works for including OPML as an
>> input and/or input format?
>>
>> c
>> --
>> Chris Lott <chris-qMDBG1KJBpwBXFe83j6qeQ@public.gmane.org>
>>
>> --
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
>> To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
>>
>>
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
>
>

Re: Pandoc and OPML

[John MacFarlane]

Looking at the spec, it seems quite simple.
http://dev.opml.org/spec2.html

But how would you suggest the various elements be converted to
pandoc?

Would the `<outline>` elements all become headers, and their
`text` attributes paragraphs under these headers?

What about custom elements, as in this example from Wikipedia?

    <outline text="Heart of Glass.mp3" type="song" f="Blondie - Heart of Glass.mp3"/>
    <outline text="Manic Monday.mp3" type="song" f="Bangles - Manic Monday.mp3"/>
    <outline text="Everybody Have Fun Tonight.mp3" type="song" f="Wang Chung - Everybody Have Fun Ton

What do we do with the "type" and "f" attributes?  The spec doesn't define
them; the spec just says any attributes are allowed in addition to "text".
(They could be ignored, I suppose.)

+++ Chris Lott [Mar 17 13 14:04 ]:
> Well, it would be awesome if it Pandoc could read OPML. The reason:
> most outliners/mind map tools create OPML and, along with markdown
> text notes, are a great base for longer form writing. MultiMarkdown
> Composer can read some OPML, but only the top level, not the
> notes...and most opml2markdown tools don't handle line breaks in the
> text notes well (or almost at all).
> 
> c
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:28 PM, John MacFarlane <fiddlosopher-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > None that I know of...
> >
> > +++ Chris Lott [Mar 15 13 09:13 ]:
> >> Greetings! Are there any plans in the works for including OPML as an
> >> input and/or input format?
> >>
> >> c
> >> --
> >> Chris Lott <chris-qMDBG1KJBpwBXFe83j6qeQ@public.gmane.org>
> >>
> >> --
> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> >> To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> > To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
> >
> >
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
> 
> 

Re: Pandoc and OPML

[Chris Lott]

All of the mind mapping and outlining tools I have used basically use
the <outline> elements as headers and the "text" attributes -- or in
one case the "_note" attribute as paragraphs in that section. I could
send a couple of samples from different mindmapping applications if it
would help.

I guess ignoring the custom elements would be the simplest... or
accommodating just some of the most common ones (such as "_note")?

I've been trying some XSLT transformations to convert to Markdown, but
while this works OK for headers from the outline elements, they fail
at dealing with linebreaks in the text, which of course makes the
markdown useless.

Just a thought!

c

On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 2:47 PM, John MacFarlane <fiddlosopher-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Looking at the spec, it seems quite simple.
> http://dev.opml.org/spec2.html
>
> But how would you suggest the various elements be converted to
> pandoc?
>
> Would the `<outline>` elements all become headers, and their
> `text` attributes paragraphs under these headers?
>
> What about custom elements, as in this example from Wikipedia?
>
>     <outline text="Heart of Glass.mp3" type="song" f="Blondie - Heart of Glass.mp3"/>
>     <outline text="Manic Monday.mp3" type="song" f="Bangles - Manic Monday.mp3"/>
>     <outline text="Everybody Have Fun Tonight.mp3" type="song" f="Wang Chung - Everybody Have Fun Ton
>
> What do we do with the "type" and "f" attributes?  The spec doesn't define
> them; the spec just says any attributes are allowed in addition to "text".
> (They could be ignored, I suppose.)
>
> +++ Chris Lott [Mar 17 13 14:04 ]:
>> Well, it would be awesome if it Pandoc could read OPML. The reason:
>> most outliners/mind map tools create OPML and, along with markdown
>> text notes, are a great base for longer form writing. MultiMarkdown
>> Composer can read some OPML, but only the top level, not the
>> notes...and most opml2markdown tools don't handle line breaks in the
>> text notes well (or almost at all).
>>
>> c
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:28 PM, John MacFarlane <fiddlosopher-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> > None that I know of...
>> >
>> > +++ Chris Lott [Mar 15 13 09:13 ]:
>> >> Greetings! Are there any plans in the works for including OPML as an
>> >> input and/or input format?
>> >>
>> >> c
>> >> --
>> >> Chris Lott <chris-qMDBG1KJBpwBXFe83j6qeQ@public.gmane.org>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
>> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
>> >> To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
>> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > --
>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
>> > To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
>> To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
>>
>>
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
>
>

Re: Pandoc and OPML

[John MacFarlane]

+++ Chris Lott [Mar 17 13 15:06 ]:
> All of the mind mapping and outlining tools I have used basically use
> the <outline> elements as headers and the "text" attributes -- or in
> one case the "_note" attribute as paragraphs in that section. I could
> send a couple of samples from different mindmapping applications if it
> would help.

Yes, why not?

> I guess ignoring the custom elements would be the simplest... or
> accommodating just some of the most common ones (such as "_note")?
> 
> I've been trying some XSLT transformations to convert to Markdown, but
> while this works OK for headers from the outline elements, they fail
> at dealing with linebreaks in the text, which of course makes the
> markdown useless.
> 
> Just a thought!

I think it would be fairly easy (an hour's work) to write a reader
that handled the basic elements as you suggest.

> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 2:47 PM, John MacFarlane <fiddlosopher-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > Looking at the spec, it seems quite simple.
> > http://dev.opml.org/spec2.html
> >
> > But how would you suggest the various elements be converted to
> > pandoc?
> >
> > Would the `<outline>` elements all become headers, and their
> > `text` attributes paragraphs under these headers?
> >
> > What about custom elements, as in this example from Wikipedia?
> >
> >     <outline text="Heart of Glass.mp3" type="song" f="Blondie - Heart of Glass.mp3"/>
> >     <outline text="Manic Monday.mp3" type="song" f="Bangles - Manic Monday.mp3"/>
> >     <outline text="Everybody Have Fun Tonight.mp3" type="song" f="Wang Chung - Everybody Have Fun Ton
> >
> > What do we do with the "type" and "f" attributes?  The spec doesn't define
> > them; the spec just says any attributes are allowed in addition to "text".
> > (They could be ignored, I suppose.)
> >
> > +++ Chris Lott [Mar 17 13 14:04 ]:
> >> Well, it would be awesome if it Pandoc could read OPML. The reason:
> >> most outliners/mind map tools create OPML and, along with markdown
> >> text notes, are a great base for longer form writing. MultiMarkdown
> >> Composer can read some OPML, but only the top level, not the
> >> notes...and most opml2markdown tools don't handle line breaks in the
> >> text notes well (or almost at all).
> >>
> >> c
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:28 PM, John MacFarlane <fiddlosopher-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >> > None that I know of...
> >> >
> >> > +++ Chris Lott [Mar 15 13 09:13 ]:
> >> >> Greetings! Are there any plans in the works for including OPML as an
> >> >> input and/or input format?
> >> >>
> >> >> c
> >> >> --
> >> >> Chris Lott <chris-qMDBG1KJBpwBXFe83j6qeQ@public.gmane.org>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
> >> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> >> >> To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
> >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> >> > To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> >> To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> > To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
> >
> >
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
> 
> 

Re: Pandoc and OPML

[John MacFarlane]

I've added an opml branch on github that does the basics.

I still haven't added support for a _note attribute, because
I'm not sure I understand how it is to be interpreted.

The content of the attribute is a string.  But what format?
HTML? Markdown? Is there any standard for this?

Re: Pandoc and OPML

[John MacFarlane]

+++ John MacFarlane [Mar 17 13 21:01 ]:
> I've added an opml branch on github that does the basics.
> 
> I still haven't added support for a _note attribute, because
> I'm not sure I understand how it is to be interpreted.
> 
> The content of the attribute is a string.  But what format?
> HTML? Markdown? Is there any standard for this?

Multimarkdown just seems to put raw markdown inside the _note
attribute.  But it seems to me that encoded HTML would be a
better choice, since the spec is explicit about allowing that
in the text attribute.

(Of course, it would be converted to markdown in an opml ->
markdown conversion.)

Re: Pandoc and OPML

[Ryan Gray]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1686 bytes --]

On Sunday, March 17, 2013 11:33:41 PM UTC-6, fiddlosopher wrote:
>
> +++ John MacFarlane [Mar 17 13 21:01 ]: 
> > I've added an opml branch on github that does the basics. 
> > 
> > I still haven't added support for a _note attribute, because 
> > I'm not sure I understand how it is to be interpreted. 
> > 
> > The content of the attribute is a string.  But what format? 
> > HTML? Markdown? Is there any standard for this? 
>
> Multimarkdown just seems to put raw markdown inside the _note 
> attribute.  But it seems to me that encoded HTML would be a 
> better choice, since the spec is explicit about allowing that 
> in the text attribute. 
>
> (Of course, it would be converted to markdown in an opml -> 
> markdown conversion.) 
>
>
I think the idea for MMD was so that for apps that supported the attribute, 
you could edit (or create) the note (which contains the content of a 
section) in Markdown format rather than HTML in whatever app you opened or 
imported the OPML file in. This seems to be a sensible thing. Perhaps it 
would be easy enough to look at the first characters in the note to tell if 
it is HTML or plain text.

-Ryan

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/pandoc-discuss/-/KbJvrx_jvXsJ.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.



[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2154 bytes --]

Re: Pandoc and OPML

[John MacFarlane]

g++ Ryan Gray [Mar 25 13 18:14 ]:
>    On Sunday, March 17, 2013 11:33:41 PM UTC-6, fiddlosopher wrote:
> 
>      +++ John MacFarlane [Mar 17 13 21:01 ]:
>      > I've added an opml branch on github that does the basics.
>      >
>      > I still haven't added support for a _note attribute, because
>      > I'm not sure I understand how it is to be interpreted.
>      >
>      > The content of the attribute is a string.  But what format?
>      > HTML? Markdown? Is there any standard for this?
>      Multimarkdown just seems to put raw markdown inside the _note
>      attribute.  But it seems to me that encoded HTML would be a
>      better choice, since the spec is explicit about allowing that
>      in the text attribute.
>      (Of course, it would be converted to markdown in an opml ->
>      markdown conversion.)
> 
>    I think the idea for MMD was so that for apps that supported the
>    attribute, you could edit (or create) the note (which contains the
>    content of a section) in Markdown format rather than HTML in whatever
>    app you opened or imported the OPML file in. This seems to be a
>    sensible thing. Perhaps it would be easy enough to look at the first
>    characters in the note to tell if it is HTML or plain text.

Well, I ended up just parsing the contents of the note attribute as
markdown.

OPML is now supported (in the dev version) for both input and output.
Try it out!

Re: Pandoc and OPML

[Dirk Laurie]

2013/3/26 John MacFarlane <fiddlosopher-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>:
> g++ Ryan Gray [Mar 25 13 18:14 ]:
>>    On Sunday, March 17, 2013 11:33:41 PM UTC-6, fiddlosopher wrote:
>>
>>      +++ John MacFarlane [Mar 17 13 21:01 ]:
>>      > I've added an opml branch on github that does the basics.
>>      >
>>      > I still haven't added support for a _note attribute, because
>>      > I'm not sure I understand how it is to be interpreted.
>>      >
>>      > The content of the attribute is a string.  But what format?
>>      > HTML? Markdown? Is there any standard for this?
>>      Multimarkdown just seems to put raw markdown inside the _note
>>      attribute.  But it seems to me that encoded HTML would be a
>>      better choice, since the spec is explicit about allowing that
>>      in the text attribute.
>>      (Of course, it would be converted to markdown in an opml ->
>>      markdown conversion.)
>>
>>    I think the idea for MMD was so that for apps that supported the
>>    attribute, you could edit (or create) the note (which contains the
>>    content of a section) in Markdown format rather than HTML in whatever
>>    app you opened or imported the OPML file in. This seems to be a
>>    sensible thing. Perhaps it would be easy enough to look at the first
>>    characters in the note to tell if it is HTML or plain text.
>
> Well, I ended up just parsing the contents of the note attribute as
> markdown.
>
> OPML is now supported (in the dev version) for both input and output.
> Try it out!

Wikipedia says:

   Exporting your data from an OPML file to another format can't be
   done without coding: no free tools are available to convert an OPML
   file to HTML,

Do we wait until Pandoc with OPML support is on Hackage?

Re: Pandoc and OPML

[Chris Lott]

On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 6:21 PM, John MacFarlane <fiddlosopher-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>
>>    I think the idea for MMD was so that for apps that supported the
>>    attribute, you could edit (or create) the note (which contains the
>>    content of a section) in Markdown format rather than HTML in whatever
>>    app you opened or imported the OPML file in. This seems to be a
>>    sensible thing. Perhaps it would be easy enough to look at the first
>>    characters in the note to tell if it is HTML or plain text.
>
> Well, I ended up just parsing the contents of the note attribute as
> markdown.

Fletcher indicated that the problem with MMD Composer not retaining
the formatting for Markdown in notes was in the output from the Mind
Map software...there is apparently a convention that at least a few of
them use w/r/t linebreaks, but not the ones I am using.

> OPML is now supported (in the dev version) for both input and output.
> Try it out!

This is a *killer* (in a good way) feature for me. It fixes the
weakest link my composition workflow. Of course it would be nice if
MMD composer could handle this directly, but this adds a ton of
versatility. Thanks!

c
--
Chris Lott <chris-qMDBG1KJBpwBXFe83j6qeQ@public.gmane.org>

Re: Pandoc and OPML

[BP Jonsson]

On 2013-03-17 23:47, John MacFarlane wrote:
> Would the `<outline>` elements all become headers, and their
> `text` attributes paragraphs under these headers?

What if there are more than six levels of nested <outline>s?

/bpj

Re: Pandoc and OPML

[John MacFarlane]

+++ BP Jonsson [Mar 26 13 16:33 ]:
> On 2013-03-17 23:47, John MacFarlane wrote:
> >Would the `<outline>` elements all become headers, and their
> >`text` attributes paragraphs under these headers?
> 
> What if there are more than six levels of nested <outline>s?

After h6, you'll just get p tags.

Re: Pandoc and OPML

[John MacFarlane]

I've just merged an OPML reader into github master.

+++ Chris Lott [Mar 17 13 14:04 ]:
> Well, it would be awesome if it Pandoc could read OPML. The reason:
> most outliners/mind map tools create OPML and, along with markdown
> text notes, are a great base for longer form writing. MultiMarkdown
> Composer can read some OPML, but only the top level, not the
> notes...and most opml2markdown tools don't handle line breaks in the
> text notes well (or almost at all).
> 
> c
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:28 PM, John MacFarlane <fiddlosopher-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > None that I know of...
> >
> > +++ Chris Lott [Mar 15 13 09:13 ]:
> >> Greetings! Are there any plans in the works for including OPML as an
> >> input and/or input format?
> >>
> >> c
> >> --
> >> Chris Lott <chris-qMDBG1KJBpwBXFe83j6qeQ@public.gmane.org>
> >>
> >> --
> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> >> To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> > To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
> >
> >
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
> 
> 

Re: Pandoc and OPML

[David Oppenheimer]

John MacFarlane <fiddlosopher@...> writes:

> 
> I've just merged an OPML reader into github master.
> 
> +++ Chris Lott [Mar 17 13 14:04 ]:
> > Well, it would be awesome if it Pandoc could read OPML. The reason:
> > most outliners/mind map tools create OPML and, along with markdown
> > text notes, are a great base for longer form writing. MultiMarkdown
> > Composer can read some OPML, but only the top level, not the
> > notes...and most opml2markdown tools don't handle line breaks in the
> > text notes well (or almost at all).
> > 
> > c
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:28 PM, John MacFarlane
> <fiddlosopher@...> wrote:
> > > None that I know of...
> > >
> > > +++ Chris Lott [Mar 15 13 09:13 ]:
> > >> Greetings! Are there any plans in the works for including OPML as an
> > >> input and/or input format?
> > >>
> > >> c
> > >> --
> > >> Chris Lott <chris@...>
> > >>

I just cloned the git master and tried to install pandoc-1.11.2
 (to get the wonderful opml reading ability), but I got the 
following error toward the end of the install 
procedure:

Preprocessing executable 'pandoc' for pandoc-1.11.2...
setup: data/templates/default.html: does not exist
Failed to install pandoc-1.11.2
Updating documentation index
cabal: Error: some packages failed to install:
pandoc-1.11.2 failed during the final install step. 
The exception was:
ExitFailure 1

This was done using cabal intall while in the pandoc directory.
MacBook Pro running OSX 10.8.3 (mountain lion).

please let me know if you need more information.

Re: Pandoc and OPML

[John MacFarlane]

+++ David Oppenheimer [May 29 13 20:07 ]:
 
> I just cloned the git master and tried to install pandoc-1.11.2
>  (to get the wonderful opml reading ability), but I got the 
> following error toward the end of the install 
> procedure:
> 
> Preprocessing executable 'pandoc' for pandoc-1.11.2...
> setup: data/templates/default.html: does not exist
> Failed to install pandoc-1.11.2
> Updating documentation index
> cabal: Error: some packages failed to install:
> pandoc-1.11.2 failed during the final install step. 
> The exception was:
> ExitFailure 1
> 
> This was done using cabal intall while in the pandoc directory.
> MacBook Pro running OSX 10.8.3 (mountain lion).
> 
> please let me know if you need more information.

You need to do

    git submodule update --init

to get the templates, and then cabal install again.

Re: Pandoc and OPML

[David Oppenheimer]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1033 bytes --]

It worked. For the other amateurs out there like me, here is what I did:

cd ~/git
git clone git://github.com/jgm/pandoc.git
cd pandoc
git submodule update --init
cabal install

Thanks!

On Friday, March 15, 2013 1:13:20 PM UTC-4, Chris Lott wrote:
>
> Greetings! Are there any plans in the works for including OPML as an 
> input and/or input format? 
>
> c 
> -- 
> Chris Lott <ch...-qMDBG1KJBpwBXFe83j6qeQ@public.gmane.org <javascript:>> 
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/d9d13fdb-0c5a-4b58-8dae-c25759f11de7%40googlegroups.com?hl=en-US.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.



[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3427 bytes --]

Re: Pandoc and OPML

[jake london]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1661 bytes --]

I'm trying to find a way to export a Freeplane mind map to OPML with the 
notes included. Unfortunately, the current OPML export facility of 
Freeplane only takes the headings and doesn't include the notes. If I 
understood more about XSLT, perhaps I could revise the template to include 
the notes, but I don't.

I can, however, save the map as .odt or html and the notes seems to be 
included in that case. If I do this, will pandoc be able to convert these 
file types into an opml file that includes the notes? 

The reason I'm trying to do this is because so I can more effectively use 
the headings and notes from Freeplane in Scrivener (mac writing program) 
and omnioutliner (mind map info is not worth as much in these programs 
without the notes).

Apologies in advance if this question is a bit convoluted.

JL

On Friday, March 15, 2013 10:13:20 AM UTC-7, Chris Lott wrote:
>
> Greetings! Are there any plans in the works for including OPML as an 
> input and/or input format? 
>
> c 
> -- 
> Chris Lott <ch...-qMDBG1KJBpwBXFe83j6qeQ@public.gmane.org <javascript:>> 
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/6137014c-5dbe-4242-a8d0-5cf4cde99593%40googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.



[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2234 bytes --]

Re: Pandoc and OPML

[Chris Lott]

On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 1:15 PM, jake london <kingsinger-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> can, however, save the map as .odt or html and the notes seems to be
> included in that case. If I do this, will pandoc be able to convert these
> file types into an opml file that includes the notes?
>
> The reason I'm trying to do this is because so I can more effectively use
> the headings and notes from Freeplane in Scrivener (mac writing program)

Use with Scrivener was actually why I asked about OPML as an input
format. As far as I know, John implemented a reader (which works
well), but not a writer.

So you are looking to do something like Freeplane -> HTML -> OPML?

c
--
Chris Lott <chris-qMDBG1KJBpwBXFe83j6qeQ@public.gmane.org>

Re: Pandoc and OPML

[John MacFarlane]

+++ Chris Lott [Jun 26 13 13:47 ]:
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 1:15 PM, jake london <kingsinger-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > can, however, save the map as .odt or html and the notes seems to be
> > included in that case. If I do this, will pandoc be able to convert these
> > file types into an opml file that includes the notes?
> >
> > The reason I'm trying to do this is because so I can more effectively use
> > the headings and notes from Freeplane in Scrivener (mac writing program)
> 
> Use with Scrivener was actually why I asked about OPML as an input
> format. As far as I know, John implemented a reader (which works
> well), but not a writer.

There is also a writer.  I can't recall whether it's in the released
version or only the development version.

Re: Pandoc and OPML

[jake london]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2080 bytes --]

I just want to get from Freeplane to OPML with the notes as a part of the 
OPML file. Freeplane can output a bunch of different formats, but not all 
of the xslt templates include the notes. 

Probably too much to ask, but something that could just take the .mm file 
and then convert it into a bunch of other stuff (and vice versa) would be 
kind of cool. A lot of different mindmappers seems to open the  .mm as well.

But in the near term, just being able to get my stuff out of Freeplane 
would be great. Although it would definitely be nice to put stuff into 
Freeplane as well from OPML, etc. 

On Wednesday, June 26, 2013 2:47:46 PM UTC-7, Chris Lott wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 1:15 PM, jake london <kings...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org<javascript:>> 
> wrote: 
> > can, however, save the map as .odt or html and the notes seems to be 
> > included in that case. If I do this, will pandoc be able to convert 
> these 
> > file types into an opml file that includes the notes? 
> > 
> > The reason I'm trying to do this is because so I can more effectively 
> use 
> > the headings and notes from Freeplane in Scrivener (mac writing program) 
>
> Use with Scrivener was actually why I asked about OPML as an input 
> format. As far as I know, John implemented a reader (which works 
> well), but not a writer. 
>
> So you are looking to do something like Freeplane -> HTML -> OPML? 
>
> c 
> -- 
> Chris Lott <ch...-qMDBG1KJBpwBXFe83j6qeQ@public.gmane.org <javascript:>> 
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/8db7632d-ba74-485a-8a70-f6de11c256a8%40googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.



[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2749 bytes --]

Re: Pandoc and OPML

[jake london]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1111 bytes --]

Oops, I should have added, the following. FP can export a bunch of formats, 
so I don't really care what the intermediary format is coming out of FP as 
long as it has the notes included and I can eventually get it into an OPML 
format that will work with Scrivener. 

JL

On Friday, March 15, 2013 10:13:20 AM UTC-7, Chris Lott wrote:
>
> Greetings! Are there any plans in the works for including OPML as an 
> input and/or input format? 
>
> c 
> -- 
> Chris Lott <ch...-qMDBG1KJBpwBXFe83j6qeQ@public.gmane.org <javascript:>> 
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/1cbd6ebb-a8f0-4f5a-97f8-241c2361715a%40googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.



[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1618 bytes --]