Re: issue with "see also" of same and different author

[John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org>]

I've just pushed a change to citeproc that allows reordering with
collapsing, but not across the boundary of a citation with a
prefix or suffix.  This should give good results.

"'Jan' via pandoc-discuss" <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
writes:

> Thanks so much for looking into this. 
>
> I was thinking about another possibility:  Is there perhaps a way to 
> disable sorting, but keep the collapsing?  
> So that in cases where in a string of citations the same author appears 
> with multiple consecutive citations, the repeated author names are omitted, 
> but if they appear in a string of citations but not consecutively, they are 
> kept?   Does that make sense?  
>
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> On Monday, September 6, 2021 at 9:37:00 AM UTC-7 John MacFarlane wrote:
>
>>
>> As I noted on the issue, citeproc already does include code
>> blocking sorting that rearranges prefixes, but this seems not
>> to work in the case where there is also collapsing (of citations
>> by same author). I have to look into why. Disabling collapsing
>> in your style could thus be one workaround, though it would mean
>> that you didn't get collapsing elsewhere.
>>
>>
>>
>> "'Jan' via pandoc-discuss" <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
>> writes:
>>
>> > Thanks so much, John, I opened an issue on github. 
>> >
>> > In the meanwhile, as a workaround, is there a way to disable sorting for 
>> > CMS? 
>> >
>> > On Saturday, September 4, 2021 at 10:28:39 PM UTC-7 John MacFarlane 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> The issue won't arise if you use a style that doesn't sort
>> >> citations, obviously, but that may not be an option here.
>> >>
>> >> I have a vague memory that this issue has come up before
>> >> in pandoc-citeproc or in CSL, and that there was some solution.
>> >>
>> >> Yes: https://github.com/jgm/pandoc-citeproc/issues/292
>> >>
>> >> Here is the fix I implemented in pandoc-citeproc:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 
>> https://github.com/jgm/pandoc-citeproc/commit/31b463a939d4878d4c83c318976b66d723e70bf5
>> >>
>> >> It's not in the CSL spec, so maybe it's not appropriate to
>> >> modify citeproc to behave this way, but it sure is tempting.
>> >> So if you feel like putting up a bug report on jgm/citeproc
>> >> with links to the URLs mentioned above, please go ahead.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "'Jan' via pandoc-discuss" <pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
>> >> writes:
>> >>
>> >> > Hi all, 
>> >> >
>> >> > I have a quick question. 
>> >> > I'm processing for Chicago Manual of style author date format. 
>> >> > pandoc -t docx --csl=.pandoc/csl/chicago-author-date.csl 
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm using the following syntax 
>> >> > [@Heller:2007i, 10; see also @Gal:1987; @Heller:1989]. 
>> >> >
>> >> > for a citation that I want to render as
>> >> > (Heller 2007, 10; see also Gal 1987; Heller 1989) 
>> >> >
>> >> > what it does, it gives me: 
>> >> > (Heller 2007, 10, 1989; see also Gal 1987) 
>> >> >
>> >> > So it moves the Heller 1989 up front to join the first citation of 
>> the 
>> >> same 
>> >> > author and then, obviously deletes the author last name. 
>> >> > Is there any way to prevent that (only for this citation)? 
>> >> > As the other Heller citation should come after the "see also".
>> >> >
>> >> > Help much appreciated!
>> >> >
>> >> > all best
>> >> >
>> >> > Jan
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
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