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[74.82.3.134]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s185sm34970204pfc.35.2020.01.18.15.53.08 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sat, 18 Jan 2020 15:53:08 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by johnmacfarlane.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 93F43A18F; Sat, 18 Jan 2020 18:52:57 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@berkeley-edu.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=rwfdM68A; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::435 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1007024079513 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.text.pandoc:24233 Archived-At: I'm really not sure what to say: people here seem to want a logo much more than I do, so I feel a lot of pressure. But since I don't think we NEED a logo, I'm not going to go to go for one unless it really looks right. I actually think this one by Alexis is pretty nice, though now it has been accused of amateurism. Well, I'm not a graphic designer, so I wouldn't know. But I like it better than the other proposals of reverse pilcrows in boxes. I do think that it makes sense, if we have a logo, to have the canonical version be a particular vector image, and not just, say, a reverse pilcrow typeset any old way. That's not a logo, it's just a symbol. Alexis BRENON writes: > I agree that it doesn't have to be a real/specific font. > In the beginning, the idea was to be able to insert the logo without > relying on a "premade" image. > But as we can see, using the chosen pilcrow as a letter inside a word > doesn't feel well. > Moreover, as it is a manually reversed pilcrow, it can't be easily added = to > all formats. > In my opinion, designing a "pictural" logo would let us more room to make= a > good one, and would better fit the use cases (like the one showcased by > @allefeld). > > From this idea, I made a variant of the Vollkorn pilcrow taking some idea= s > from the whole conversation. > John seems to like to see the "pi" letter as well as a "D", and most of u= s > agree on using something looking like a "P". > So I separated the bowl from the vertical lines bringing some advantages: > * The "pi" and the "D" are more visible (I can still do more works on the > upper junction to make the "pi" more evident -- adding some curve similar > to the left one, making some offset overlap to highlight the separation, > etc.) > * We keep a "P" shape related to the first letter of "Pandoc" > * It is not a "simple" pilcrow anymore, so decrease the risk of confusion > from the users. > > Using a box around is a good idea making it stands as "I am a logo". > However, a simple square or diamond doesn't bring much meaning. > I used an ISO A4 page symbol which was often used in the previous logo > propositions. > One more time, some more work can be done here, like using a letter-sized > page (which would make it more squarish). > > [image: logo_512.png] > > What do you think about this compromised: starting from a well-designed > pilcrow and customizing it to make it looks like a logo. > > Kind. > > Le mar. 14 janv. 2020 =C3=A0 21:46, BPJ a =C3=A9crit = : > >> Does it necessarily have to be a specific font? I doubt people will care >> about such details as long as the general look is the expected one, the >> pilcrow, a box (the idea of a square rotated 45 degrees, i.e. a lozenge, >> seems a good one to me BTW) and the expected general color in a color >> document. OTOH if the font is the "right" one but other details are wron= g, >> like a non-reversed pilcrow, a circle instead of a box or the wrong colo= r >> the "right" font doesn't help. Most people who aren't font nerds (I use= d >> to be one when I was younger actually) won't notice any font differences >> less gross than filled vs. not filled, w/o a "leg" or sans vs. serif. >> >> >> Den tors 9 jan. 2020 18:52allefeld skrev: >> >>> I did have the concern expressed above that the reversed Pilcrow >>>> in a box e.g. in an editor menu looks like it should create a new >>>> paragraph, >>> >>> >>> I wouldn't be too concerned about that. The Pilcrow is familiar as an >>> end-of-paragraph symbol, but I have never seen an editor that uses it t= o >>> stand for "create paragraph". >>> >>> Apparently there is a Pilcrow button in MS Word, but that stands for >>> "show hidden formatting". >>> >>> For my own package, I think that the documentation >>> https://github.com/allefeld/atom-pandoc-pdf#toolbar-buttons >>> should make it completely clear. >>> >>> And once the symbol is used on the Pandoc website, users will >>> automatically start associating it with Pandoc. >>> >>> >>> >>>> and isn't obviously recognizable as a logo. >>>> >>> >>> A properly designed logo would certainly be nice. A while ago there was= a >>> comment from a designer on the repo offering to design a logo. I left a >>> comment, maybe he chimes in. >>> >>> But I would propose that for the moment we just settle on a font, and >>> leave possible further logo design for the future. >>> >>> And that would mean that you, John, have to decide which font it is >>> supposed to be. :) >>> >>> C >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps >>> "pandoc-discuss" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send = an >>> email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/921cd6a2-2d51-4c82-bf2= 9-97627318519f%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> . >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/pandoc-discuss/1bKIuyBnWaQ/unsubscribe= . >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/CADAJKhARUsq4GnQAuykH4t= XjHAaRe%3DYB2EKEwnshJZ9496K-9Q%40mail.gmail.com >> >> . >> > > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgi= d/pandoc-discuss/CAJPB9o0-2RT%3DKd733Xj2vqDTgGoozqX%2B7V_SCd%3DLD%3D6EbuGCh= g%40mail.gmail.com. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. 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