Lineblocks in Jats writer

Lineblocks in Jats writer

[denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0]

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Hi,

currently, the jats writer seems to convert lineblocks to regular paragraphs. Is that correct? If yes, can this behaviour be adjusted?

Best,
Denis

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Re: Lineblocks in Jats writer

[Albert Krewinkel]

denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org writes:

> currently, the jats writer seems to convert lineblocks to regular paragraphs. Is that correct? If yes, can this behaviour be adjusted?

Correct. It might be more appropriate to use a `<verse-group>` with each
line in a `<verse-line>`, but maybe that's too specific? Lineblocks
sometimes contain addresses, those would be mistagged.

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AW: Lineblocks in Jats writer

[denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0]

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> discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> Im Auftrag von Albert Krewinkel
> Gesendet: Montag, 13. Dezember 2021 13:56
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> Betreff: Re: Lineblocks in Jats writer
> 
> 
> denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org writes:
> 
> > currently, the jats writer seems to convert lineblocks to regular paragraphs.
> Is that correct? If yes, can this behaviour be adjusted?
> 
> Correct. It might be more appropriate to use a `<verse-group>` with each line
> in a `<verse-line>`, but maybe that's too specific? Lineblocks sometimes
> contain addresses, those would be mistagged.

Hmmm, yes, I would have expected to find a <verse-group> in the output. Would it be possible to add this, and distinguish between different kind of lineblocks?

{.verse}
| This is 
| my first
| poem

vs.

{.address}
| This is
| my
| address

That should work in commonmark, right? Or we use a div to add that kind of information...

WDYT?

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Re: AW: Lineblocks in Jats writer

[John MacFarlane]

> {.verse}
> | This is 
> | my first
> | poem

This syntax would work with `-f commonmark+attributes` if we
had line block support in commonmark, but we don't.

You can of course do something like

::: {.verse}
| This
| is it
:::

which will create a Div containing the line block.

So, we could modify the JATS writer to take a Div with class
"verse" and produce a verse element.   I don't know if that's
too ad hoc.

AW: AW: Lineblocks in Jats writer

[denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0]

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> Gesendet: Montag, 13. Dezember 2021 18:40
> An: Maier, Denis Christian (UB) <denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org>; pandoc-
> discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
> Betreff: Re: AW: Lineblocks in Jats writer
> 
> 
> > {.verse}
> > | This is
> > | my first
> > | poem
> 
> This syntax would work with `-f commonmark+attributes` if we had line block
> support in commonmark, but we don't.

Ok.

> 
> You can of course do something like
> 
> ::: {.verse}
> | This
> | is it
> :::
> 
> which will create a Div containing the line block.
> 
> So, we could modify the JATS writer to take a Div with class
> "verse" and produce a verse element.   I don't know if that's
> too ad hoc.

I think that sounds like a good solution. Albert, WDYT? If you think that this could work, maybe we should try to cover other use-cases as well, say addresses. Anything else? What will happen with theses classes when going to other formats?

Best,
Denis

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Re: AW: AW: Lineblocks in Jats writer

[Albert Krewinkel]

denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org writes:

>> So, we could modify the JATS writer to take a Div with class
>> "verse" and produce a verse element.   I don't know if that's
>> too ad hoc.
>
> I think that sounds like a good solution. Albert, WDYT? If you think
> that this could work, maybe we should try to cover other use-cases as
> well, say addresses. Anything else? What will happen with theses
> classes when going to other formats?

Sounds good to me.

I think for the general case, output should be changed to use
`<preformat preformat-type="lines">` or something similar. The only
disadvantage of that is that we have to do some extra work to process
math formulae, as those are not allowed contents of `<preformat>`
elements.

If the LineBlock comes wrapped in a Div, then we could use the first
class of the div as the value for `preformat-type`.

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AW: AW: AW: Lineblocks in Jats writer

[denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0]

Another question:
What happens with stuff like this:

```md
| this
| is a 
| poem

| with
| two 
| stanzas
```

I think in jats this should be rendered with nested verse-groups, right?

Denis


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> discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> Im Auftrag von Albert Krewinkel
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Dezember 2021 15:59
> An: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: Lineblocks in Jats writer
> 
> 
> denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org writes:
> 
> >> So, we could modify the JATS writer to take a Div with class
> >> "verse" and produce a verse element.   I don't know if that's
> >> too ad hoc.
> >
> > I think that sounds like a good solution. Albert, WDYT? If you think
> > that this could work, maybe we should try to cover other use-cases as
> > well, say addresses. Anything else? What will happen with theses
> > classes when going to other formats?
> 
> Sounds good to me.
> 
> I think for the general case, output should be changed to use `<preformat
> preformat-type="lines">` or something similar. The only disadvantage of that
> is that we have to do some extra work to process math formulae, as those
> are not allowed contents of `<preformat>` elements.
> 
> If the LineBlock comes wrapped in a Div, then we could use the first class of
> the div as the value for `preformat-type`.
> 
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AW: AW: AW: Lineblocks in Jats writer

[denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0]

I've added an issue to the issue tracker: https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/7828

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> An: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
> Betreff: AW: AW: AW: Lineblocks in Jats writer
> 
> Another question:
> What happens with stuff like this:
> 
> ```md
> | this
> | is a
> | poem
> 
> | with
> | two
> | stanzas
> ```
> 
> I think in jats this should be rendered with nested verse-groups, right?
> 
> Denis
> 
> 
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-
> > discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> Im Auftrag von Albert Krewinkel
> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Dezember 2021 15:59
> > An: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
> > Betreff: Re: AW: AW: Lineblocks in Jats writer
> >
> >
> > denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org writes:
> >
> > >> So, we could modify the JATS writer to take a Div with class
> > >> "verse" and produce a verse element.   I don't know if that's
> > >> too ad hoc.
> > >
> > > I think that sounds like a good solution. Albert, WDYT? If you think
> > > that this could work, maybe we should try to cover other use-cases as
> > > well, say addresses. Anything else? What will happen with theses
> > > classes when going to other formats?
> >
> > Sounds good to me.
> >
> > I think for the general case, output should be changed to use `<preformat
> > preformat-type="lines">` or something similar. The only disadvantage of
> that
> > is that we have to do some extra work to process math formulae, as those
> > are not allowed contents of `<preformat>` elements.
> >
> > If the LineBlock comes wrapped in a Div, then we could use the first class of
> > the div as the value for `preformat-type`.
> >
> > --
> > Albert Krewinkel
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