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[74.82.3.134]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k4sm1663926pgm.73.2021.04.06.16.39.06 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 06 Apr 2021 16:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by johnmacfarlane.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5853AA231; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 19:38:55 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@berkeley-edu.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=wL0UWSgu; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::52d as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1007024079513 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.text.pandoc:28092 Archived-At: I just checked my 2006 Le Robert Micro: it has cote < c=C3=B4te < c=C3=B4t=C3=A9 cot=C3=A9 appears as a subheading of cote, so I'm not sure it's clear from this how it is to be ordered. Not inconsistent with the French Academy anyway. Bastien DUMONT writes: > Hi, > > Honestly, these are such subtleties that, as a native French speaker, I h= ave no precise ideas about it. I would say that accents are only a secondar= y criterium for sorting (cote < c=C3=B4te < coteau). Actually the Wikipedia= page about the French alphabet agrees with that: "diacritics and ligatures= are taken into account only at a third level, after the second level (case= ). [...] In Quebec French diacritics are considered more important than cas= e." (I hope my translation is not too bad.) Unfortunately they give no refe= rence. As for the "last syllable" rule, I have never heard of it, but the F= rench Academy's dictionary online has cote < c=C3=B4te < cot=C3=A9 < c=C3= =B4t=C3=A9 (https://www.dictionnaire-academie.fr/article/A9C4445?history=3D= 2). Anyway I guess that it rarely applies. I will check a recent Robert whe= never possible (maybe tomorrow): they introduced a lot of changes in 2010. > > The French Association for Normalization produced a norm in 1969 about pr= oper names' sorting, but it is behind a paywall and I am not sure that it i= s really in use. > > Cheers, > > Bastien > > Le Tuesday 06 April 2021 =C3=A0 04:42:40PM, 'Nick Bart' via pandoc-discus= s a =C3=A9crit : >> Concerning French, I checked a few more sources, and some of them seem t= o hold different views on French collation: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/A= lphabet_fran%C3%A7ais states that diacritics should be disregarded when sor= ting, except in Quebec French, where accented characters are to appear afte= r their unaccented counterparts. No "last syllable" rule is mentioned at al= l. In addition, in a printed French dictionary, Le Nouveau Petit Robert (19= 94), I couldn=E2=80=99t find any explicit rules on sorting, but entries are= ordered "cote < cot=C3=A9 < c=C3=B4te < c=C3=B4t=C3=A9". Hopefully some na= tive speakers of French will chime in here. >> >> As to supporting multiple collations, I tend to think that the default c= ollation (which usually seems to follow the most recent rules for a given l= anguage) would usually be sufficient. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s "pandoc-discuss" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg= id/pandoc-discuss/lIJvVkf_iXceir6oyQVnvHDTXlTIgech_5Trj2TRBY6uBZ_AnU8ghvMV6= not9E_QSwG0BhZJUnHprUcIN8UlAKrUw7DzQF5-ZpIki3TC74Q%3D%40protonmail.com. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgi= d/pandoc-discuss/YGylIXTe6M3FSBIl%40localhost. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. 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