* Turn off headers for Mac OS clipboard content output in HTML?
@ 2021-12-27 20:04 philmac-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA
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From: philmac-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA @ 2021-12-27 20:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pandoc-discuss
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I am using Pandoc to convert dumb quotes to smart quotes in HTML. The HTML
is on my MacOS clipboard:
pbpaste | pandoc -t html+smart | pbcopy
The output begins with
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC “-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN”
“http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd”>
and a blank line.
Is it possible to turn this off?
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@ 2021-12-28 14:33 ` Joseph Reagle
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From: Joseph Reagle @ 2021-12-28 14:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw
The doctype declaration is a standard HTML feature and declares the version of the HTML. Pandoc, especially in `--standalone` mode includes these at the start of an HTML document.
I'm confused, however. You haven't specified standalone mode. (And why would you want them removed in any case?) And the behavior you are describing doesn't correspond to recent versions -- I'm using 2.16.2. I'm not sure when/if pandoc last used HTML4.01 strict.
In any case, you could create your own HTML template, without a doctype declaration.
https://pandoc.org/MANUAL.html#templates
On 21-12-27 15:04, philmac-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org wrote:
> I am using Pandoc to convert dumb quotes to smart quotes in HTML. The HTML is on my MacOS clipboard:
>
> pbpaste | pandoc -t html+smart | pbcopy
>
> The output begins with
>
> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC “-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN” “http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd”>
>
> and a blank line.
>
> Is it possible to turn this off?
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From: T. Kurt Bond @ 2021-12-28 15:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
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When standalone is not specified, pandoc typically outputs fragments rather
than a complete document. This is convenient for the case where you are
processing multiple fragments into one document. (This happens in HTML
output but also in other output; groff -ms, ConTeXt, LaTeX.) So normal
HTML output I see when I don't specify standalone does *not* include the
doctype.
$ echo '* Bogus' | pandoc -r rst -w html
<ul>
<li>Bogus</li>
</ul>
This is with pandoc 2.16.2, installed with homebrew.
On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 9:33 AM Joseph Reagle <joseph.2011-T1oY19WcHSwdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> The doctype declaration is a standard HTML feature and declares the
> version of the HTML. Pandoc, especially in `--standalone` mode includes
> these at the start of an HTML document.
>
> I'm confused, however. You haven't specified standalone mode. (And why
> would you want them removed in any case?) And the behavior you are
> describing doesn't correspond to recent versions -- I'm using 2.16.2. I'm
> not sure when/if pandoc last used HTML4.01 strict.
>
> In any case, you could create your own HTML template, without a doctype
> declaration.
>
> https://pandoc.org/MANUAL.html#templates
>
> On 21-12-27 15:04, philmac-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org wrote:
> > I am using Pandoc to convert dumb quotes to smart quotes in HTML. The
> HTML is on my MacOS clipboard:
> >
> > pbpaste | pandoc -t html+smart | pbcopy
> >
> > The output begins with
> >
> > <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC “-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN” “
> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd”>
> >
> > and a blank line.
> >
> > Is it possible to turn this off?
>
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@ 2021-12-28 16:19 ` philmac-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA
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From: philmac-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA @ 2021-12-28 16:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pandoc-discuss
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Thank you for your assistance! Indeed, I misread the situation, though the
outcome is still strange. The HTML I am starting with in my clipboard is a
complete document with a doctype declaration. The first line is:
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
Pandoc (pandoc -t html+smart) converts the angle brackets into HTML entity
names:
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC “-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN”
“http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd”>
Later on in my process, the content gets converted to RTF using textutil,
which removes doctype declarations but retains the line above, converting
the entity names back into angle brackets—which is how I got the idea that
Pandoc had put it there.
I am not sure why my Pandoc command converts the angle brackets in that
first line—it leaves the other angle brackets in the document alone—but I
can just remove that line from the clipboard text before processing it with
Pandoc, so no problem.
On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 10:48:46 AM UTC-5 tkur...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:
> When standalone is not specified, pandoc typically outputs fragments
> rather than a complete document. This is convenient for the case where you
> are processing multiple fragments into one document. (This happens in HTML
> output but also in other output; groff -ms, ConTeXt, LaTeX.) So normal
> HTML output I see when I don't specify standalone does *not* include the
> doctype.
>
> $ echo '* Bogus' | pandoc -r rst -w html
> <ul>
> <li>Bogus</li>
> </ul>
>
> This is with pandoc 2.16.2, installed with homebrew.
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 9:33 AM Joseph Reagle <josep...-T1oY19WcHSwdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>> The doctype declaration is a standard HTML feature and declares the
>> version of the HTML. Pandoc, especially in `--standalone` mode includes
>> these at the start of an HTML document.
>>
>> I'm confused, however. You haven't specified standalone mode. (And why
>> would you want them removed in any case?) And the behavior you are
>> describing doesn't correspond to recent versions -- I'm using 2.16.2. I'm
>> not sure when/if pandoc last used HTML4.01 strict.
>>
>> In any case, you could create your own HTML template, without a doctype
>> declaration.
>>
>> https://pandoc.org/MANUAL.html#templates
>>
>> On 21-12-27 15:04, phi...-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org wrote:
>> > I am using Pandoc to convert dumb quotes to smart quotes in HTML. The
>> HTML is on my MacOS clipboard:
>> >
>> > pbpaste | pandoc -t html+smart | pbcopy
>> >
>> > The output begins with
>> >
>> > <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC “-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN” “
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd”>
>> >
>> > and a blank line.
>> >
>> > Is it possible to turn this off?
>>
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>>
>
>
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@ 2021-12-28 16:24 ` jeremy theler
2021-12-28 16:26 ` T. Kurt Bond
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From: jeremy theler @ 2021-12-28 16:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
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are you telling pandoc that the source is html and not markdown?
On Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 13:19 philmac-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org <philmac-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Thank you for your assistance! Indeed, I misread the situation, though the
> outcome is still strange. The HTML I am starting with in my clipboard is a
> complete document with a doctype declaration. The first line is:
>
> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "
> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
>
> Pandoc (pandoc -t html+smart) converts the angle brackets into HTML
> entity names:
>
> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC “-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN” “
> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd”>
>
> Later on in my process, the content gets converted to RTF using textutil,
> which removes doctype declarations but retains the line above, converting
> the entity names back into angle brackets—which is how I got the idea that
> Pandoc had put it there.
>
> I am not sure why my Pandoc command converts the angle brackets in that
> first line—it leaves the other angle brackets in the document alone—but I
> can just remove that line from the clipboard text before processing it with
> Pandoc, so no problem.
> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 10:48:46 AM UTC-5 tkur...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
> wrote:
>
>> When standalone is not specified, pandoc typically outputs fragments
>> rather than a complete document. This is convenient for the case where you
>> are processing multiple fragments into one document. (This happens in HTML
>> output but also in other output; groff -ms, ConTeXt, LaTeX.) So normal
>> HTML output I see when I don't specify standalone does *not* include the
>> doctype.
>>
>> $ echo '* Bogus' | pandoc -r rst -w html
>> <ul>
>> <li>Bogus</li>
>> </ul>
>>
>> This is with pandoc 2.16.2, installed with homebrew.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 9:33 AM Joseph Reagle <josep...-T1oY19WcHSwdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The doctype declaration is a standard HTML feature and declares the
>>> version of the HTML. Pandoc, especially in `--standalone` mode includes
>>> these at the start of an HTML document.
>>>
>>> I'm confused, however. You haven't specified standalone mode. (And why
>>> would you want them removed in any case?) And the behavior you are
>>> describing doesn't correspond to recent versions -- I'm using 2.16.2. I'm
>>> not sure when/if pandoc last used HTML4.01 strict.
>>>
>>> In any case, you could create your own HTML template, without a doctype
>>> declaration.
>>>
>>> https://pandoc.org/MANUAL.html#templates
>>>
>>> On 21-12-27 15:04, phi...-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org wrote:
>>> > I am using Pandoc to convert dumb quotes to smart quotes in HTML. The
>>> HTML is on my MacOS clipboard:
>>> >
>>> > pbpaste | pandoc -t html+smart | pbcopy
>>> >
>>> > The output begins with
>>> >
>>> > <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC “-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN” “
>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd”>
>>> >
>>> > and a blank line.
>>> >
>>> > Is it possible to turn this off?
>>>
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>>> .
>>>
>>
>>
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From: T. Kurt Bond @ 2021-12-28 16:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
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If you don't specify an input format, pandoc assumes markdown input, and
while markdown allows literal inclusions of HTML elements, it apparently
doesn't allow DOCTYPE declarations, so it does not consider that to be
HTML, and translates the angle brackets into character entities.
$ echo '<!DOCTYPE html><ol><li>Bogus</li></ol>' | pandoc -t html
<!DOCTYPE html>
<ol>
<li>
Bogus
</li>
</ol>
However, if you add "-r html" everything is fine:
$ echo '<!DOCTYPE html><ol><li>Bogus</li></ol>' | pandoc -r html -t html
<ol>
<li>Bogus</li>
</ol>
On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 11:19 AM philmac-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org <philmac-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> Thank you for your assistance! Indeed, I misread the situation, though the
> outcome is still strange. The HTML I am starting with in my clipboard is a
> complete document with a doctype declaration. The first line is:
>
> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "
> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
>
> Pandoc (pandoc -t html+smart) converts the angle brackets into HTML
> entity names:
>
> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC “-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN” “
> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd”>
>
> Later on in my process, the content gets converted to RTF using textutil,
> which removes doctype declarations but retains the line above, converting
> the entity names back into angle brackets—which is how I got the idea that
> Pandoc had put it there.
>
> I am not sure why my Pandoc command converts the angle brackets in that
> first line—it leaves the other angle brackets in the document alone—but I
> can just remove that line from the clipboard text before processing it with
> Pandoc, so no problem.
> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 10:48:46 AM UTC-5 tkur...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
> wrote:
>
>> When standalone is not specified, pandoc typically outputs fragments
>> rather than a complete document. This is convenient for the case where you
>> are processing multiple fragments into one document. (This happens in HTML
>> output but also in other output; groff -ms, ConTeXt, LaTeX.) So normal
>> HTML output I see when I don't specify standalone does *not* include the
>> doctype.
>>
>> $ echo '* Bogus' | pandoc -r rst -w html
>> <ul>
>> <li>Bogus</li>
>> </ul>
>>
>> This is with pandoc 2.16.2, installed with homebrew.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 9:33 AM Joseph Reagle <josep...-T1oY19WcHSwdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The doctype declaration is a standard HTML feature and declares the
>>> version of the HTML. Pandoc, especially in `--standalone` mode includes
>>> these at the start of an HTML document.
>>>
>>> I'm confused, however. You haven't specified standalone mode. (And why
>>> would you want them removed in any case?) And the behavior you are
>>> describing doesn't correspond to recent versions -- I'm using 2.16.2. I'm
>>> not sure when/if pandoc last used HTML4.01 strict.
>>>
>>> In any case, you could create your own HTML template, without a doctype
>>> declaration.
>>>
>>> https://pandoc.org/MANUAL.html#templates
>>>
>>> On 21-12-27 15:04, phi...-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org wrote:
>>> > I am using Pandoc to convert dumb quotes to smart quotes in HTML. The
>>> HTML is on my MacOS clipboard:
>>> >
>>> > pbpaste | pandoc -t html+smart | pbcopy
>>> >
>>> > The output begins with
>>> >
>>> > <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC “-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN” “
>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd”>
>>> >
>>> > and a blank line.
>>> >
>>> > Is it possible to turn this off?
>>>
>>> --
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>>> .
>>>
>>
>>
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2021-12-29 19:23 ` John MacFarlane
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From: philmac-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA @ 2021-12-28 16:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pandoc-discuss
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The trouble with using -r html or -f html is that this strips out the
<head> element, so I lose the formatting.
That is, if I apply pandoc -r html -t html+smart to this:
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Style-Type" content="text/css">
<title></title>
<meta name="Generator" content="Cocoa HTML Writer">
<meta name="CocoaVersion" content="2113">
<style type="text/css">
p.p1 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 16.0px Arial; color: #151515;
-webkit-text-stroke: #151515; background-color: #d5e4ff}
span.s1 {font-kerning: none}
span.s2 {font: 16.0px Courier; font-kerning: none; background-color:
#f1f1f1}
</style>
</head>
<body>
<p class="p1"><span class="s1">Font names that have more than one word —
like </span><span class="s2">Trebuchet MS</span><span class="s1"> — need to
be surrounded by quotes, for example </span><span class="s2">"Trebuchet
MS"</span><span class="s1">.</span></p>
</body>
</html>
The outcome is just:
<p><span class="s1">Font names that have more than one word — like
</span><span class="s2">Trebuchet MS</span><span class="s1"> — need to be
surrounded by quotes, for example </span><span class="s2">"Trebuchet
MS"</span><span class="s1">.</span></p>
On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 11:26:40 AM UTC-5 tkur...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:
> If you don't specify an input format, pandoc assumes markdown input, and
> while markdown allows literal inclusions of HTML elements, it apparently
> doesn't allow DOCTYPE declarations, so it does not consider that to be
> HTML, and translates the angle brackets into character entities.
>
> $ echo '<!DOCTYPE html><ol><li>Bogus</li></ol>' | pandoc -t html
> <!DOCTYPE html>
> <ol>
> <li>
> Bogus
> </li>
> </ol>
>
> However, if you add "-r html" everything is fine:
>
> $ echo '<!DOCTYPE html><ol><li>Bogus</li></ol>' | pandoc -r html -t html
> <ol>
> <li>Bogus</li>
> </ol>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 11:19 AM phi...-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org <phi...-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you for your assistance! Indeed, I misread the situation, though
>> the outcome is still strange. The HTML I am starting with in my clipboard
>> is a complete document with a doctype declaration. The first line is:
>>
>> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
>>
>> Pandoc (pandoc -t html+smart) converts the angle brackets into HTML
>> entity names:
>>
>> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC “-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN” “
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd”>
>>
>> Later on in my process, the content gets converted to RTF using textutil,
>> which removes doctype declarations but retains the line above, converting
>> the entity names back into angle brackets—which is how I got the idea that
>> Pandoc had put it there.
>>
>> I am not sure why my Pandoc command converts the angle brackets in that
>> first line—it leaves the other angle brackets in the document alone—but I
>> can just remove that line from the clipboard text before processing it with
>> Pandoc, so no problem.
>> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 10:48:46 AM UTC-5 tkur...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
>> wrote:
>>
>>> When standalone is not specified, pandoc typically outputs fragments
>>> rather than a complete document. This is convenient for the case where you
>>> are processing multiple fragments into one document. (This happens in HTML
>>> output but also in other output; groff -ms, ConTeXt, LaTeX.) So normal
>>> HTML output I see when I don't specify standalone does *not* include
>>> the doctype.
>>>
>>> $ echo '* Bogus' | pandoc -r rst -w html
>>> <ul>
>>> <li>Bogus</li>
>>> </ul>
>>>
>>> This is with pandoc 2.16.2, installed with homebrew.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 9:33 AM Joseph Reagle <josep...-T1oY19WcHSwdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The doctype declaration is a standard HTML feature and declares the
>>>> version of the HTML. Pandoc, especially in `--standalone` mode includes
>>>> these at the start of an HTML document.
>>>>
>>>> I'm confused, however. You haven't specified standalone mode. (And why
>>>> would you want them removed in any case?) And the behavior you are
>>>> describing doesn't correspond to recent versions -- I'm using 2.16.2. I'm
>>>> not sure when/if pandoc last used HTML4.01 strict.
>>>>
>>>> In any case, you could create your own HTML template, without a doctype
>>>> declaration.
>>>>
>>>> https://pandoc.org/MANUAL.html#templates
>>>>
>>>> On 21-12-27 15:04, phi...-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org wrote:
>>>> > I am using Pandoc to convert dumb quotes to smart quotes in HTML. The
>>>> HTML is on my MacOS clipboard:
>>>> >
>>>> > pbpaste | pandoc -t html+smart | pbcopy
>>>> >
>>>> > The output begins with
>>>> >
>>>> > <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC “-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN” “
>>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd”>
>>>> >
>>>> > and a blank line.
>>>> >
>>>> > Is it possible to turn this off?
>>>>
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>>>> .
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
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* Re: Turn off headers for Mac OS clipboard content output in HTML?
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That makes sense; remember, without -s (standalone) pandoc outputs
fragments. I suspect what you need to do is specify -s while also
specifying an HTML template that includes the doctype and head information
that you want. If all you care about is the CSS, you might try specifying
it with --css.
On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 11:32 AM philmac-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org <philmac-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org>
wrote:
> The trouble with using -r html or -f html is that this strips out the
> <head> element, so I lose the formatting.
>
> That is, if I apply pandoc -r html -t html+smart to this:
>
> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "
> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
> <html>
> <head>
> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
> <meta http-equiv="Content-Style-Type" content="text/css">
> <title></title>
> <meta name="Generator" content="Cocoa HTML Writer">
> <meta name="CocoaVersion" content="2113">
> <style type="text/css">
> p.p1 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 16.0px Arial; color: #151515;
> -webkit-text-stroke: #151515; background-color: #d5e4ff}
> span.s1 {font-kerning: none}
> span.s2 {font: 16.0px Courier; font-kerning: none; background-color:
> #f1f1f1}
> </style>
> </head>
> <body>
> <p class="p1"><span class="s1">Font names that have more than one word —
> like </span><span class="s2">Trebuchet MS</span><span class="s1"> — need to
> be surrounded by quotes, for example </span><span class="s2">"Trebuchet
> MS"</span><span class="s1">.</span></p>
> </body>
> </html>
>
> The outcome is just:
>
> <p><span class="s1">Font names that have more than one word — like
> </span><span class="s2">Trebuchet MS</span><span class="s1"> — need to be
> surrounded by quotes, for example </span><span class="s2">"Trebuchet
> MS"</span><span class="s1">.</span></p>
>
> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 11:26:40 AM UTC-5 tkur...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
> wrote:
>
>> If you don't specify an input format, pandoc assumes markdown input, and
>> while markdown allows literal inclusions of HTML elements, it apparently
>> doesn't allow DOCTYPE declarations, so it does not consider that to be
>> HTML, and translates the angle brackets into character entities.
>>
>> $ echo '<!DOCTYPE html><ol><li>Bogus</li></ol>' | pandoc -t html
>> <!DOCTYPE html>
>> <ol>
>> <li>
>> Bogus
>> </li>
>> </ol>
>>
>> However, if you add "-r html" everything is fine:
>>
>> $ echo '<!DOCTYPE html><ol><li>Bogus</li></ol>' | pandoc -r html -t html
>> <ol>
>> <li>Bogus</li>
>> </ol>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 11:19 AM phi...-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org <phi...-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for your assistance! Indeed, I misread the situation, though
>>> the outcome is still strange. The HTML I am starting with in my clipboard
>>> is a complete document with a doctype declaration. The first line is:
>>>
>>> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "
>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
>>>
>>> Pandoc (pandoc -t html+smart) converts the angle brackets into HTML
>>> entity names:
>>>
>>> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC “-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN” “
>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd”>
>>>
>>> Later on in my process, the content gets converted to RTF using
>>> textutil, which removes doctype declarations but retains the line above,
>>> converting the entity names back into angle brackets—which is how I got the
>>> idea that Pandoc had put it there.
>>>
>>> I am not sure why my Pandoc command converts the angle brackets in that
>>> first line—it leaves the other angle brackets in the document alone—but I
>>> can just remove that line from the clipboard text before processing it with
>>> Pandoc, so no problem.
>>> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 10:48:46 AM UTC-5 tkur...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> When standalone is not specified, pandoc typically outputs fragments
>>>> rather than a complete document. This is convenient for the case where you
>>>> are processing multiple fragments into one document. (This happens in HTML
>>>> output but also in other output; groff -ms, ConTeXt, LaTeX.) So normal
>>>> HTML output I see when I don't specify standalone does *not* include
>>>> the doctype.
>>>>
>>>> $ echo '* Bogus' | pandoc -r rst -w html
>>>> <ul>
>>>> <li>Bogus</li>
>>>> </ul>
>>>>
>>>> This is with pandoc 2.16.2, installed with homebrew.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 9:33 AM Joseph Reagle <josep...-T1oY19WcHSwdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The doctype declaration is a standard HTML feature and declares the
>>>>> version of the HTML. Pandoc, especially in `--standalone` mode includes
>>>>> these at the start of an HTML document.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm confused, however. You haven't specified standalone mode. (And why
>>>>> would you want them removed in any case?) And the behavior you are
>>>>> describing doesn't correspond to recent versions -- I'm using 2.16.2. I'm
>>>>> not sure when/if pandoc last used HTML4.01 strict.
>>>>>
>>>>> In any case, you could create your own HTML template, without a
>>>>> doctype declaration.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://pandoc.org/MANUAL.html#templates
>>>>>
>>>>> On 21-12-27 15:04, phi...-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org wrote:
>>>>> > I am using Pandoc to convert dumb quotes to smart quotes in HTML.
>>>>> The HTML is on my MacOS clipboard:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > pbpaste | pandoc -t html+smart | pbcopy
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The output begins with
>>>>> >
>>>>> > <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC “-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN” “
>>>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd”>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > and a blank line.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Is it possible to turn this off?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>> Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
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>>>>> an email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
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>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/e8eac3cc-feb6-e3af-dc9d-d3fe0b964925%40reagle.org
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> T. Kurt Bond, tkur...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org, https://tkurtbond.github.io
>>>>
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>>> .
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
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* Re: Turn off headers for Mac OS clipboard content output in HTML?
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2021-12-28 16:32 ` philmac-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA
@ 2021-12-29 19:23 ` John MacFarlane
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From: John MacFarlane @ 2021-12-29 19:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: T. Kurt Bond, pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw
If you use 'pandoc -f commonmark -t html' then or
'pandoc -f gfm -t html' or 'pandoc -f commonmark_x -t html'
then the doctype will be treated as raw HTML.
"T. Kurt Bond" <tkurtbond-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
> If you don't specify an input format, pandoc assumes markdown input, and
> while markdown allows literal inclusions of HTML elements, it apparently
> doesn't allow DOCTYPE declarations, so it does not consider that to be
> HTML, and translates the angle brackets into character entities.
>
> $ echo '<!DOCTYPE html><ol><li>Bogus</li></ol>' | pandoc -t html
> <!DOCTYPE html>
> <ol>
> <li>
> Bogus
> </li>
> </ol>
>
> However, if you add "-r html" everything is fine:
>
> $ echo '<!DOCTYPE html><ol><li>Bogus</li></ol>' | pandoc -r html -t html
> <ol>
> <li>Bogus</li>
> </ol>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 11:19 AM philmac-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org <philmac-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you for your assistance! Indeed, I misread the situation, though the
>> outcome is still strange. The HTML I am starting with in my clipboard is a
>> complete document with a doctype declaration. The first line is:
>>
>> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
>>
>> Pandoc (pandoc -t html+smart) converts the angle brackets into HTML
>> entity names:
>>
>> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC “-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN” “
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd”>
>>
>> Later on in my process, the content gets converted to RTF using textutil,
>> which removes doctype declarations but retains the line above, converting
>> the entity names back into angle brackets—which is how I got the idea that
>> Pandoc had put it there.
>>
>> I am not sure why my Pandoc command converts the angle brackets in that
>> first line—it leaves the other angle brackets in the document alone—but I
>> can just remove that line from the clipboard text before processing it with
>> Pandoc, so no problem.
>> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 10:48:46 AM UTC-5 tkur...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
>> wrote:
>>
>>> When standalone is not specified, pandoc typically outputs fragments
>>> rather than a complete document. This is convenient for the case where you
>>> are processing multiple fragments into one document. (This happens in HTML
>>> output but also in other output; groff -ms, ConTeXt, LaTeX.) So normal
>>> HTML output I see when I don't specify standalone does *not* include the
>>> doctype.
>>>
>>> $ echo '* Bogus' | pandoc -r rst -w html
>>> <ul>
>>> <li>Bogus</li>
>>> </ul>
>>>
>>> This is with pandoc 2.16.2, installed with homebrew.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 9:33 AM Joseph Reagle <josep...-T1oY19WcHSwdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The doctype declaration is a standard HTML feature and declares the
>>>> version of the HTML. Pandoc, especially in `--standalone` mode includes
>>>> these at the start of an HTML document.
>>>>
>>>> I'm confused, however. You haven't specified standalone mode. (And why
>>>> would you want them removed in any case?) And the behavior you are
>>>> describing doesn't correspond to recent versions -- I'm using 2.16.2. I'm
>>>> not sure when/if pandoc last used HTML4.01 strict.
>>>>
>>>> In any case, you could create your own HTML template, without a doctype
>>>> declaration.
>>>>
>>>> https://pandoc.org/MANUAL.html#templates
>>>>
>>>> On 21-12-27 15:04, phi...-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org wrote:
>>>> > I am using Pandoc to convert dumb quotes to smart quotes in HTML. The
>>>> HTML is on my MacOS clipboard:
>>>> >
>>>> > pbpaste | pandoc -t html+smart | pbcopy
>>>> >
>>>> > The output begins with
>>>> >
>>>> > <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC “-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN” “
>>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd”>
>>>> >
>>>> > and a blank line.
>>>> >
>>>> > Is it possible to turn this off?
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> an email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
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>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/e8eac3cc-feb6-e3af-dc9d-d3fe0b964925%40reagle.org
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
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