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From: John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org>
To: John Carter Wood <woodjo-ZOsAvrTRSvuEhhMi0yms2Q@public.gmane.org>,
	pandoc-discuss
	<pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: Changing colons to full-stops in titles
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2022 17:30:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2sfnkvoih.fsf@johnmacfarlane.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <78df697a-50f5-46d0-b0b8-29a2cbc9509an-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>


CSL doesn't have a subtitle field.  So, if you're using
a CSL bibliography, you'll need to put both the main and
the subtitle in the "title" field. And then you can just put in
the period instead of the colon.

Hence this problem only really arises if you're using,
say, a bibtex bibliography with separate title and subtitle
fields. Then pandoc will have to combine these to form
the CSL "title" field, and to do this it will add a colon.

This isn't configurable, but why not just use a CSL JSON
or YAML bibliography with a single title field; then you
can use whatever separator you want? You can use pandoc
for the initial conversion from bibtex.

John Carter Wood <woodjo-ZOsAvrTRSvuEhhMi0yms2Q@public.gmane.org> writes:

> I have one final (for now...) issue in setting up a CSL file (which I use 
> with pandoc/citeproc and references in a json file). 
>
> I'm not sure whether this is a CSL issue or whether it's an issue that can 
> be solved via using a filter (or some other solution) in pandoc, but I 
> thought there might be some people here who might have faced a similar 
> issue. 
>
> The house style for here (German-based publisher) wants a *full-stop/period 
> *between main title and subtitle in citations / bibliographies; US/UK 
> standard is a *colon* between main title and subtitle. And reference 
> managers like Zotero -- IIUC -- save titles as single fields (at least they 
> are in my version of Zotero). So it doesn't seem like it is possible to 
> control what delimiter is used between them via CSL. 
>
> I have found various discussions of relevant title/subtitle division issues 
> -- some going back quite a few years -- in forums on Zotero: 
>
> https://forums.zotero.org/discussion/8077/separate-fields-for-title-and-subtitle/
>
> ...and CSL:
>
> https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/handling-main-sub-title-splits-citeproc-js/1563/11
>
> However, these were in part discussions among developers about *possible* 
> changes, and I'm not sure of the current status of this issue or whether 
> there is a way to handle it. 
>
> Would it be possible to automate turning colons in titles into full-stops 
> via using a filter? If so is there such a filter already around? Can this 
> be done via CSL?
>
> Or is this, as of now, impossible?
>
> (Or is there a real simple solution that I have, as usual, overlooked...) 
>
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-07-01 15:30 UTC|newest]

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2022-07-01 14:38     ` John Carter Wood
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2022-07-01 15:30         ` John MacFarlane [this message]
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2022-07-01 15:41             ` AW: " denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0
2022-07-01 15:34         ` denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0
     [not found]           ` <f440b082946148b884b45ed1a3421de4-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org>
2022-07-01 15:52             ` John Carter Wood
     [not found]               ` <a2d540a6-a435-4285-aed5-018007d155cfn-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2022-07-01 16:16                 ` AW: " denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0
     [not found]                   ` <bc85a4891eec431f846ee69f9fcbe167-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org>
2022-07-01 16:23                     ` John Carter Wood
     [not found]                       ` <f0f222ef-e60e-4397-83ac-bec1a6ac2d08n-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2022-07-01 16:40                         ` AW: " denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0
     [not found]                           ` <2a8d940b3675472fb4b50ead406f6fc7-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org>
2022-07-01 16:43                             ` John Carter Wood
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2022-07-02 20:02                                 ` BPJ
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2022-07-03  5:41                                     ` Paulo Ney de Souza
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2022-07-03 12:15                                         ` BPJ
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2022-07-03 16:53                                             ` Paulo Ney de Souza
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2022-07-03 19:43                                                 ` BPJ
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2022-07-04  9:09                                                     ` BPJ
2022-07-01 16:54                             ` AW: " Sukil Etxenike arizaleta
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2022-07-01 17:28                                 ` Sukil Etxenike arizaleta
2022-07-05 10:02                             ` John Carter Wood
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2022-07-05 10:16                                 ` Albert Krewinkel
     [not found]                                   ` <87h73vj1m1.fsf-9EawChwDxG8hFhg+JK9F0w@public.gmane.org>
2022-07-05 11:45                                     ` John Carter Wood
     [not found]                                       ` <1ebf2a90-159e-4445-bf3a-b068526877cbn-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2022-07-05 11:49                                         ` Albert Krewinkel
     [not found]                                           ` <87czejixon.fsf-9EawChwDxG8hFhg+JK9F0w@public.gmane.org>
2022-07-05 12:02                                             ` John Carter Wood
2022-07-05 12:05                                         ` Sukil Etxenike arizaleta
2022-07-05 15:50                                         ` AW: " denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0
     [not found]                                           ` <2bb67f22fc3044088f798c777f3684d2-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org>
2022-07-07 19:05                                             ` denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0
2022-07-05 10:38                                 ` denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0
2022-07-02 16:28         ` BPJ

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