* Citation problems, pandoc-citeproc?
@ 2019-10-26 19:10 John Carter Wood
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From: John Carter Wood @ 2019-10-26 19:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pandoc-discuss
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Hello,
I've been using a Pandoc setup combined with Zotero and markdown
successfully for a couple of years. But new versions of this set-up, using
a later version of Pandoc, have been having problems: in references
(footnotes) that use periods, subsequent reference keys are not converted
into full references: they remain in the key format
"@authorname_titleword_year".
(The formatting of the quotation marks is correct: I'm in Germany.)
Here is a sample markdown text.
[image: Markdown_citation.jpg]
Using this text works fine using pandoc 1.19.2.1/pandoc-citeproc 0.10.4 All
references are converted. (The issue comes up in footnote 3.)
[image: earlier_pandoc_version.jpg]
However, using the *exact same* markdown text and .bib file, running pandoc
2.2.1/pandoc-citeproc 0.14.3.1, the second citation in footnote three does
not convert.
[image: later_pandoc_version.jpg]
When I remove the period, it works. But I have several documents that have
this kind of citation, and I don't want to have to go back and change them
all. Moreover, this kind of extensive footnote with citations is normal in
my field (history).
Am I doing something wrong? or has something changed with different
versions?
I appreciate any help. And I'm happy to provide any info if I've forgotten
something.
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* Re: Citation problems, pandoc-citeproc?
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@ 2019-10-28 17:57 ` John MacFarlane
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From: John MacFarlane @ 2019-10-28 17:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: John Carter Wood, pandoc-discuss
I'm not sure why it would have worked with an earlier version.
However, the documentation specifies that citations in a citation
group need to be separated by semicolons.
So [@item1; see also @item2].
That has been the documented behavior since the beginning.
John Carter Wood <johannes.c.holz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
> Hello,
>
> I've been using a Pandoc setup combined with Zotero and markdown
> successfully for a couple of years. But new versions of this set-up, using
> a later version of Pandoc, have been having problems: in references
> (footnotes) that use periods, subsequent reference keys are not converted
> into full references: they remain in the key format
> "@authorname_titleword_year".
>
> (The formatting of the quotation marks is correct: I'm in Germany.)
>
> Here is a sample markdown text.
>
> [image: Markdown_citation.jpg]
>
>
>
> Using this text works fine using pandoc 1.19.2.1/pandoc-citeproc 0.10.4 All
> references are converted. (The issue comes up in footnote 3.)
>
> [image: earlier_pandoc_version.jpg]
>
>
>
> However, using the *exact same* markdown text and .bib file, running pandoc
> 2.2.1/pandoc-citeproc 0.14.3.1, the second citation in footnote three does
> not convert.
>
> [image: later_pandoc_version.jpg]
>
>
> When I remove the period, it works. But I have several documents that have
> this kind of citation, and I don't want to have to go back and change them
> all. Moreover, this kind of extensive footnote with citations is normal in
> my field (history).
>
> Am I doing something wrong? or has something changed with different
> versions?
>
> I appreciate any help. And I'm happy to provide any info if I've forgotten
> something.
>
>
> --
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* Re: Citation problems, pandoc-citeproc?
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@ 2019-10-28 19:36 ` John Carter Wood
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From: John Carter Wood @ 2019-10-28 19:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pandoc-discuss
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Many thanks for your reply. I have looked back through the documentation
and found the relevant section, which I seem to have overlooked.
I was convinced it had once been different, but as you say, looking back I
see that it wasn't. Sorry, my error.
I have done some experimentation, and it seems that within a *footnote*
(so, using ^[text]), adding a period between references is not a problem. I
*think* that when I was first learning to use pandoc/markdown (about two
years ago), I ran into the problem that citations within footnotes weren't
cooperating very well with those simply in brackets with regard to
recognising where "ibid" would be appropriate. At least I recall such
problems.
As a result I had -- through whatever method -- discovered the method that
I described above and stuck with it. Now that I'm updating my setup to a
new machine I discovered that it didn't work any more.
Although it is curious that was working for me for a while.
So: using the explicit footnote format would be the right way to add
multiple references in sentences (so separated by periods) in a note? This
is common in the humanities.
I suppose the best advice is "read the manual". :-)
Thanks again for your help! Much appreciated.
On Monday, October 28, 2019 at 6:57:25 PM UTC+1, John MacFarlane wrote:
>
>
> I'm not sure why it would have worked with an earlier version.
> However, the documentation specifies that citations in a citation
> group need to be separated by semicolons.
>
> So [@item1; see also @item2].
>
> That has been the documented behavior since the beginning.
>
> John Carter Wood <johann...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <javascript:>> writes:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I've been using a Pandoc setup combined with Zotero and markdown
> > successfully for a couple of years. But new versions of this set-up,
> using
> > a later version of Pandoc, have been having problems: in references
> > (footnotes) that use periods, subsequent reference keys are not
> converted
> > into full references: they remain in the key format
> > "@authorname_titleword_year".
> >
> > (The formatting of the quotation marks is correct: I'm in Germany.)
> >
> > Here is a sample markdown text.
> >
> > [image: Markdown_citation.jpg]
> >
> >
> >
> > Using this text works fine using pandoc 1.19.2.1/pandoc-citeproc 0.10.4
> All
> > references are converted. (The issue comes up in footnote 3.)
> >
> > [image: earlier_pandoc_version.jpg]
> >
> >
> >
> > However, using the *exact same* markdown text and .bib file, running
> pandoc
> > 2.2.1/pandoc-citeproc 0.14.3.1, the second citation in footnote three
> does
> > not convert.
> >
> > [image: later_pandoc_version.jpg]
> >
> >
> > When I remove the period, it works. But I have several documents that
> have
> > this kind of citation, and I don't want to have to go back and change
> them
> > all. Moreover, this kind of extensive footnote with citations is normal
> in
> > my field (history).
> >
> > Am I doing something wrong? or has something changed with different
> > versions?
> >
> > I appreciate any help. And I'm happy to provide any info if I've
> forgotten
> > something.
> >
> >
> > --
> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
> Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
> an email to pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <javascript:>.
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>
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