Re: Citeproc is bringing a question mark inside quotes?

[Rik <amphiboly-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>]

On 6/25/2021 13:47, gnpan wrote:
> This is a csl locale issue, US is default. You can try --metadata 
> lang=en-GB as suggested here 
> <https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/7005> or add a zero-width-space as 
> mentioned here 
> <https://groups.google.com/g/pandoc-discuss/c/NiFPVF9TeCg/m/9pHluL3iAgAJ>.
> 
> 
> On Friday, 25 June 2021 at 14:38:07 UTC+3 William Lupton wrote:
> 
>     Hello,
> 
>     It seems that adding --citeproc causes a question mark to be brought
>     within quotes, which I didn't expect. I tried escaping it but this
>     didn't make any difference. Putting a space before it avoids the
>     behaviour... but I don't want a space!
> 
>     Thanks,
>     William
> 
>     % pandoc -v
>     pandoc 2.14.0.3
> 
>     % cat question.md
>     '-'?
> 
>     % pandoc question.md
>     <p>‘-’?</p>
> 
>     % pandoc --citeproc question.md
>     <p>‘-?’</p>
> 


US practice is to put commas and stops inside the quotation marks of a 
quotation and larger punctuation (?!;:) outside, except in the case that 
the large punctuation is part of the quoted material (“Who, me?”). So, 
US practice supports both.
   Similarly, British (or UK, or GB) practice places marks in a default 
position (outside) but allows them inside based on the semantic content.
   If CSL US locale processing is mangling this by moving both large and 
small marks in every case, then CSL processing is creating some new 
standard. I would suggest that if the proper position cannot be 
programmatically determined it should default to what the writer writes.
   Quotation marks are used for other things than quotations. Indeed, 
the use in citation processing is such another use. Again the writer 
must be trusted to place punctuation properly in context. A.J. Liebling 
wrote ‘Do You Belong in Journalism?’ in 1960; did he write it in his 
regular column ‘The Wayward Press’?
   The behavior identified here takes place outside of citation 
processing. The OP is rightly surprised that it results in changes 
beyond that scope.

-- 
Rik

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