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[116.202.254.214]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b12si223702lfb.9.2021.06.25.14.25.10 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 25 Jun 2021 14:25:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gtp-pandoc-discuss@m.gmane-mx.org designates 116.202.254.214 as permitted sender) client-ip=116.202.254.214; Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lwtJz-0004Al-TA for pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Jun 2021 23:25:07 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-Original-Sender: amphiboly-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gtp-pandoc-discuss@m.gmane-mx.org designates 116.202.254.214 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=gtp-pandoc-discuss@m.gmane-mx.org; dmarc=fail (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1007024079513 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.text.pandoc:28688 Archived-At: On 6/25/2021 13:47, gnpan wrote: > This is a csl locale issue, US is default. You can try=C2=A0--metadata=20 > lang=3Den-GB as suggested here=20 > =C2=A0or add a=C2=A0zero-width= -space as=20 > mentioned here=20 > = . >=20 >=20 > On Friday, 25 June 2021 at 14:38:07 UTC+3 William Lupton wrote: >=20 > Hello, >=20 > It seems that adding --citeproc causes a question mark to be brought > within quotes, which I didn't expect. I tried escaping it but this > didn't make any difference. Putting a space before it avoids the > behaviour... but I don't want a space! >=20 > Thanks, > William >=20 > % pandoc -v > pandoc 2.14.0.3 >=20 > % cat question.md > '-'? >=20 > % pandoc question.md >

=E2=80=98-=E2=80=99?

>=20 > % pandoc --citeproc question.md >

=E2=80=98-?=E2=80=99

>=20 US practice is to put commas and stops inside the quotation marks of a=20 quotation and larger punctuation (?!;:) outside, except in the case that=20 the large punctuation is part of the quoted material (=E2=80=9CWho, me?=E2= =80=9D). So,=20 US practice supports both. Similarly, British (or UK, or GB) practice places marks in a default=20 position (outside) but allows them inside based on the semantic content. If CSL US locale processing is mangling this by moving both large and=20 small marks in every case, then CSL processing is creating some new=20 standard. I would suggest that if the proper position cannot be=20 programmatically determined it should default to what the writer writes. Quotation marks are used for other things than quotations. Indeed,=20 the use in citation processing is such another use. Again the writer=20 must be trusted to place punctuation properly in context. A.J. Liebling=20 wrote =E2=80=98Do You Belong in Journalism?=E2=80=99 in 1960; did he write = it in his=20 regular column =E2=80=98The Wayward Press=E2=80=99? The behavior identified here takes place outside of citation=20 processing. The OP is rightly surprised that it results in changes=20 beyond that scope. --=20 Rik --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= pandoc-discuss/sb5hjc%24ene%241%40ciao.gmane.io.