Could --biblatex use autocite instead of autocites so as to support numeric-comp style?

Could --biblatex use autocite instead of autocites so as to support numeric-comp style?

[jiewuza]

With --biblatex, this md file:
```
We are citing [@A1; @A2; @A3]
```

is converted into tex: (autocites version)
```
We are citing \autocites{A1}{A2}{A3}
```

instead of (autocite version)
```
We are citing \autocite{A1,A2,A3}
```

I did not notice the difference until I add numeric-comp style.

For autocite version:
```
\usepackage[style=numeric-comp]{biblatex}
...
We are citing \autocite{A1,A2,A3}
```
The result pdf is what I expected, it shows as
`We are citing [1-3]`.

While for autocites version, it shows as
`We are citing [1,2,3]`, not compressed.

Re: Could --biblatex use autocite instead of autocites so as to support numeric-comp style?

[John MacFarlane]

I believe we use autocites because in principle each
of the citations could have prefix, suffix, and
locator, and this would be impossible to represent
with autocite. Of course, in the case where there
are no prefix, suffix, or locator, autocite could
be used instead, and maybe it should.  Does anyone
have opinions on this?

Re: Could --biblatex use autocite instead of autocites so as to support numeric-comp style?

[jiewuza]

Or is it possible to make autocites support numeric-comp?
So that we can get all the benefits.

I found something at
https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/114987/biblatex-supercite-with-square-brackets-and-grouped
but it is for supercite. 

John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> writes:

> I believe we use autocites because in principle each
> of the citations could have prefix, suffix, and
> locator, and this would be impossible to represent
> with autocite. Of course, in the case where there
> are no prefix, suffix, or locator, autocite could
> be used instead, and maybe it should.  Does anyone
> have opinions on this?

Re: Could --biblatex use autocite instead of autocites so as to support numeric-comp style?

[John MacFarlane]

I'm reluctant to make that kind of change in the
defaults.  But you can always create a custom template
that imports biblatex with this option and redefines
\autocites in a way that makes it behave like you want.

jiewuza <jiewuza-9Onoh4P/yGk@public.gmane.org> writes:

> Or is it possible to make autocites support numeric-comp?
> So that we can get all the benefits.
>
> I found something at
> https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/114987/biblatex-supercite-with-square-brackets-and-grouped
> but it is for supercite. 
>
> John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> writes:
>
>> I believe we use autocites because in principle each
>> of the citations could have prefix, suffix, and
>> locator, and this would be impossible to represent
>> with autocite. Of course, in the case where there
>> are no prefix, suffix, or locator, autocite could
>> be used instead, and maybe it should.  Does anyone
>> have opinions on this?
>
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Re: Could --biblatex use autocite instead of autocites so as to support numeric-comp style?

[jiewuza]

But after all my efforts, I still cannot make autocites work as I want.


John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> writes:

> I'm reluctant to make that kind of change in the
> defaults.  But you can always create a custom template
> that imports biblatex with this option and redefines
> \autocites in a way that makes it behave like you want.
>
> jiewuza <jiewuza-9Onoh4P/yGk@public.gmane.org> writes:
>
>> Or is it possible to make autocites support numeric-comp?
>> So that we can get all the benefits.
>>
>> I found something at
>> https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/114987/biblatex-supercite-with-square-brackets-and-grouped
>> but it is for supercite. 
>>
>> John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> writes:
>>
>>> I believe we use autocites because in principle each
>>> of the citations could have prefix, suffix, and
>>> locator, and this would be impossible to represent
>>> with autocite. Of course, in the case where there
>>> are no prefix, suffix, or locator, autocite could
>>> be used instead, and maybe it should.  Does anyone
>>> have opinions on this?
>>
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Re: Could --biblatex use autocite instead of autocites so as to support numeric-comp style?

[jiewuza]

What I have tried is

I config autocite=superscript for biblatex
```
 \usepackage[sorting=none, style=numeric-comp,
   autocite=superscript]{biblatex}
```
This will make autocite work as supercite, according to biblatx document.

And then I copy the code from
https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/114987/biblatex-supercite-with-square-brackets-and-grouped
```
\DeclareCiteCommand{\supercite}[\mkbibsuperscript]
  {\usebibmacro{cite:init}%
   \let\multicitedelim=\supercitedelim
   \iffieldundef{prenote}
     {}
     {\BibliographyWarning{Ignoring prenote argument}}%
   \iffieldundef{postnote}
     {}
     {\BibliographyWarning{Ignoring postnote argument}}
  \bibopenbracket}%
  {\usebibmacro{citeindex}%
   \usebibmacro{cite:comp}}
  {}
  {\usebibmacro{cite:dump}\bibclosebracket}
```

But it does not compress the citations.


John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> writes:

> I'm reluctant to make that kind of change in the
> defaults.  But you can always create a custom template
> that imports biblatex with this option and redefines
> \autocites in a way that makes it behave like you want.
>
> jiewuza <jiewuza-9Onoh4P/yGk@public.gmane.org> writes:
>
>> Or is it possible to make autocites support numeric-comp?
>> So that we can get all the benefits.
>>
>> I found something at
>> https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/114987/biblatex-supercite-with-square-brackets-and-grouped
>> but it is for supercite. 
>>
>> John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> writes:
>>
>>> I believe we use autocites because in principle each
>>> of the citations could have prefix, suffix, and
>>> locator, and this would be impossible to represent
>>> with autocite. Of course, in the case where there
>>> are no prefix, suffix, or locator, autocite could
>>> be used instead, and maybe it should.  Does anyone
>>> have opinions on this?
>>
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Re: Could --biblatex use autocite instead of autocites so as to support numeric-comp style?

[John MacFarlane]

jiewuza <jiewuza-9Onoh4P/yGk@public.gmane.org> writes:

> What I have tried is
>
> I config autocite=superscript for biblatex
> ```
>  \usepackage[sorting=none, style=numeric-comp,
>    autocite=superscript]{biblatex}
> ```
> This will make autocite work as supercite, according to biblatx document.

My suggestion was to redefine \autocites (perhaps in
addition to \autocite).

If you can define a macro that rewrites

\autocites{a}{b}{c}

to

\autocite{a,b,c}

then you'll be there, right?  If you need help with
that, the tex stack exchange is probably a better
place than here.

Re: Could --biblatex use autocite instead of autocites so as to support numeric-comp style?

[jiewuza]

I did not know how to define such a macro :)
But I will try, and ask for help there.

Thanks.

John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> writes:

> jiewuza <jiewuza-9Onoh4P/yGk@public.gmane.org> writes:
>
>> What I have tried is
>>
>> I config autocite=superscript for biblatex
>> ```
>>  \usepackage[sorting=none, style=numeric-comp,
>>    autocite=superscript]{biblatex}
>> ```
>> This will make autocite work as supercite, according to biblatx document.
>
> My suggestion was to redefine \autocites (perhaps in
> addition to \autocite).
>
> If you can define a macro that rewrites
>
> \autocites{a}{b}{c}
>
> to
>
> \autocite{a,b,c}
>
> then you'll be there, right?  If you need help with
> that, the tex stack exchange is probably a better
> place than here.

Re: Could --biblatex use autocite instead of autocites so as to support numeric-comp style?

[jiewuza]

Also I was rethinking what you have proposed:

```
I believe we use autocites because in principle each
of the citations could have prefix, suffix, and
locator, and this would be impossible to represent
with autocite. Of course, in the case where there
are no prefix, suffix, or locator, autocite could
be used instead, and maybe it should.  Does anyone
have opinions on this?
```

I think it should.
Even such a macro can be defined, it does not work
when there are prefix, suffix, and locator.

While on the other hand, it is common that there
are no prefix, suffix, or locator, and autocite is preferred.


John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> writes:

> jiewuza <jiewuza-9Onoh4P/yGk@public.gmane.org> writes:
>
>> What I have tried is
>>
>> I config autocite=superscript for biblatex
>> ```
>>  \usepackage[sorting=none, style=numeric-comp,
>>    autocite=superscript]{biblatex}
>> ```
>> This will make autocite work as supercite, according to biblatx document.
>
> My suggestion was to redefine \autocites (perhaps in
> addition to \autocite).
>
> If you can define a macro that rewrites
>
> \autocites{a}{b}{c}
>
> to
>
> \autocite{a,b,c}
>
> then you'll be there, right?  If you need help with
> that, the tex stack exchange is probably a better
> place than here.

Re: Could --biblatex use autocite instead of autocites so as to support numeric-comp style?

[John MacFarlane]

I'm not an expert on biblatex, but the idea of using
\autocite{a,b,c} instead of \autocites{a}{b}{c} when
there are no prefixes, suffixes, or locators seems
good to me.

Does anyone see a problem with this?

I suggest you put an issue on pandoc's bug tracker
so this won't be forgotten.

jiewuza <jiewuza-9Onoh4P/yGk@public.gmane.org> writes:

> Also I was rethinking what you have proposed:
>
> ```
> I believe we use autocites because in principle each
> of the citations could have prefix, suffix, and
> locator, and this would be impossible to represent
> with autocite. Of course, in the case where there
> are no prefix, suffix, or locator, autocite could
> be used instead, and maybe it should.  Does anyone
> have opinions on this?
> ```
>
> I think it should.
> Even such a macro can be defined, it does not work
> when there are prefix, suffix, and locator.
>
> While on the other hand, it is common that there
> are no prefix, suffix, or locator, and autocite is preferred.
>
>
> John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> writes:
>
>> jiewuza <jiewuza-9Onoh4P/yGk@public.gmane.org> writes:
>>
>>> What I have tried is
>>>
>>> I config autocite=superscript for biblatex
>>> ```
>>>  \usepackage[sorting=none, style=numeric-comp,
>>>    autocite=superscript]{biblatex}
>>> ```
>>> This will make autocite work as supercite, according to biblatx document.
>>
>> My suggestion was to redefine \autocites (perhaps in
>> addition to \autocite).
>>
>> If you can define a macro that rewrites
>>
>> \autocites{a}{b}{c}
>>
>> to
>>
>> \autocite{a,b,c}
>>
>> then you'll be there, right?  If you need help with
>> that, the tex stack exchange is probably a better
>> place than here.
>
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Re: Could --biblatex use autocite instead of autocites so as to support numeric-comp style?

[jiewuza]

Done, #4960.

John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> writes:

> I'm not an expert on biblatex, but the idea of using
> \autocite{a,b,c} instead of \autocites{a}{b}{c} when
> there are no prefixes, suffixes, or locators seems
> good to me.
>
> Does anyone see a problem with this?
>
> I suggest you put an issue on pandoc's bug tracker
> so this won't be forgotten.
>
> jiewuza <jiewuza-9Onoh4P/yGk@public.gmane.org> writes:
>
>> Also I was rethinking what you have proposed:
>>
>> ```
>> I believe we use autocites because in principle each
>> of the citations could have prefix, suffix, and
>> locator, and this would be impossible to represent
>> with autocite. Of course, in the case where there
>> are no prefix, suffix, or locator, autocite could
>> be used instead, and maybe it should.  Does anyone
>> have opinions on this?
>> ```
>>
>> I think it should.
>> Even such a macro can be defined, it does not work
>> when there are prefix, suffix, and locator.
>>
>> While on the other hand, it is common that there
>> are no prefix, suffix, or locator, and autocite is preferred.
>>
>>
>> John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> writes:
>>
>>> jiewuza <jiewuza-9Onoh4P/yGk@public.gmane.org> writes:
>>>
>>>> What I have tried is
>>>>
>>>> I config autocite=superscript for biblatex
>>>> ```
>>>>  \usepackage[sorting=none, style=numeric-comp,
>>>>    autocite=superscript]{biblatex}
>>>> ```
>>>> This will make autocite work as supercite, according to biblatx document.
>>>
>>> My suggestion was to redefine \autocites (perhaps in
>>> addition to \autocite).
>>>
>>> If you can define a macro that rewrites
>>>
>>> \autocites{a}{b}{c}
>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>> \autocite{a,b,c}
>>>
>>> then you'll be there, right?  If you need help with
>>> that, the tex stack exchange is probably a better
>>> place than here.
>>
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Re: Could --biblatex use autocite instead of autocites so as to support numeric-comp style?

[Joost Kremers]

On Mon, Oct 08 2018, John MacFarlane wrote:
> I'm not an expert on biblatex, but the idea of using
> \autocite{a,b,c} instead of \autocites{a}{b}{c} when
> there are no prefixes, suffixes, or locators seems
> good to me.
>
> Does anyone see a problem with this?

Well, the biblatex manual says that "[t]he multicite commands
are built on top of backend commands like \parencite and 
\footcite". That suggests to me that \autocites{a}{b}{c} is 
actually equavalent to \autocite{a,b,c}, so it shouldn't be a 
problem.

-- 
Joost Kremers
Life has its moments

Re: Could --biblatex use autocite instead of autocites so as to support numeric-comp style?

[John MacFarlane]

If I followed this thread, I thought the gist of it
was that OP had seen, experimentally, that
\autocites{a}{b}{c} gives different output than
\autocite{a,b,c}.

Joost Kremers <joostkremers-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org> writes:

> On Mon, Oct 08 2018, John MacFarlane wrote:
>> I'm not an expert on biblatex, but the idea of using
>> \autocite{a,b,c} instead of \autocites{a}{b}{c} when
>> there are no prefixes, suffixes, or locators seems
>> good to me.
>>
>> Does anyone see a problem with this?
>
> Well, the biblatex manual says that "[t]he multicite commands
> are built on top of backend commands like \parencite and 
> \footcite". That suggests to me that \autocites{a}{b}{c} is 
> actually equavalent to \autocite{a,b,c}, so it shouldn't be a 
> problem.
>
> -- 
> Joost Kremers
> Life has its moments
>
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