From mboxrd@z Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
Received: from doolittle.vetsci.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.148.2]) by archone.tamu.edu with SMTP id <18887>; Sat, 1 Feb 1992 11:26:17 -0600
Received: by doolittle.vetsci.su.oz.au via suspension id <49380>; Sun, 2 Feb 1992 04:25:30 +1100
Received: by doolittle.vetsci.su.oz.au id <49379>; Sun, 2 Feb 1992 03:36:31 +1100
From: John (I've got some bad news for you, sunshine) Mackin <john@vetsci.su.oz.au>
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1992 10:02:08 -0600
To: The rc Mailing List <rc@archone.tamu.edu>
cc: Tom Culliton <srg!culliton@uunet.uu.net>
Subject: Re: Match operator puzzlement
In-Reply-To: <9201311601.aa02527@ceres.srg.af.mil>
Message-ID: <199202020302.19891.rc.badey@vetsci.su.oz.au>
X-Face: 39seV7n\`#asqOFdx#oj/Uz*lseO_1n9n7rQS;~ve\e`&Z},nU1+>0X^>mg&M.^X$[ez>{F
 k5[Ah<7xBWF<un6={nlL7Om5<0UsuHKjCxs)C$`DP.N'-LLb8=8)"a@d2bG-f7qD2AJ#UZ>-@-ru?&
 @4K4-b`ydd^`(n%Z{

Tom Culliton raised some interesting points about pattern matching.

    Which didn't work as planned for semi-obvious reasons involving
    re-scanning.

The reason a straightforward attempt doesn't work isn't really anything
to do with rescanning at all, since there IS no rescanning -- don't
forget that that is rc's main principle: in the absence of 'eval',
which exists to break the rule, there is NEVER rescanning.

The reason it doesn't work is, to quote Byron, for metacharacters in
a ~ pattern to behave as metacharacters, they must appear _literally_
and _unquoted_.  Nothing else will serve; no subterfuge, however subtle,
will make them match unless they are literal and not quoted.

Usually this doesn't present a problem, since a simple eval suffices.
Tom, however, has either a weird application (if this really is a
practical problem) or a curious bent of mind (if it's just a
theoretical one), since he posits:

    OOPS! I encountered a file name with a $ in it so make that

    		if (eval ~ '$i' $patterns) { 	# etc...

    But what about patterns with $ and so forth in them?

Hmm.  Filenames with $ in them?  I didn't know rc had been ported to
VMS :).  Seriously, filenames with $ in them are not a good idea.
Still, the above does deal with that.  As to patterns with $ in
them, that's what makes this an interesting question.  In fact,
let's leave eval aside for a moment, and consider just the question
of how to match a pattern with $ in it.  Now,

	~ 'get$down' 'get$down'

does work, naturally, and as naturally,

	~ 'get$down' get$down

does not, since the $down in the pattern is variable-expanded (into
nothing since I don't have that set).  Everything you would expect
to work, does work.  All these match:

	~ 'get$down' *n
	~ 'get$down' *down
	~ 'get$down' get?down

And this doesn't:

	~ 'get$down' '*$down'

Recall the basic principle: the metacharacter must be literal and
unquoted to be effective.  So leaving eval aside, we have to ask
this question: how can the metacharacter be unquoted, to be effective,
and the $ be quoted, to prevent variable expansion?  When we know
the question, the answer is obvious:

	~ 'get$down' * ^ '$down'

which does indeed match as expected.

The answer to Tom's question is simply to use the same mechanism
along with eval, using the exact code of his last example:

	patterns = $1
	...
		if ( eval ~ '$i' $patterns )

The point, though, is that if the pattern is to contain any of rc's
syntax characters, appropriate quoting must be used.  $ is not the
only character that causes these problems; consider a pattern
containing '=' -- similar hassles arise there.  So one cannot
just write

	cmd '*.o *.a *$bar'

but must rather write

	cmd '*.o *.a * ^ ''$bar'''

I am willing to admit that this is a touch cumbersome.  However,
in closing I'd like to stick up for the way rc works here.  It is
simple and clean and _predictable_, unlike other shells.  I'd hate
to even imagine trying something like this in csh.  And I'd like
to just beat a little harder on an earlier point: UNIX gives us a
hell of a lot of power in many ways.  Not the least of those is
our ability to put any character in a pathname segment other than
NUL or slash.  But, as always, the converse of power is responsibility;
being a properly responsible UNIX citizen means being aware that if
we are going to put characters in pathnames that don't, by all rights,
reasonably belong there (like $), we have to accept the consequences
(our tools get harder to create, and have more work to do).

Of course, the beauty of UNIX is that as long as we _are_ willing
to accept the consequences, we _can_ do it.

And the beauty of rc is that it's easy to see how.

OK,
John.