From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from burdell.cc.gatech.edu ([130.207.3.207]) by hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu with SMTP id <2192>; Tue, 21 Sep 1993 13:26:40 -0400 Received: from penfold.cc.gatech.edu by burdell.cc.gatech.edu with SMTP id AA26779 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 21 Sep 1993 13:26:33 -0400 Received: by penfold.cc.gatech.edu id AA03698 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for rc@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu); Tue, 21 Sep 1993 13:26:31 -0400 From: Arnold Robbins Message-Id: <199309211726.AA03698@penfold.cc.gatech.edu> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 13:26:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: rsalz@osf.org's 23-line message on Sep 21, 1:11pm X-Ultrix: Just Say NO! X-Important-Saying: Premature Optimization Is The Root Of All Evil. X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: rc@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu Subject: Re: Thoughts on a builtin read > >Alas, the commercial world is just now discovering Unix, and the universities > >(at least around here) just want to Get The Next Paper Written using frame > >or whatever. Heaven forbid they should actually *use* an experimental, but > >state of the art distributed system. > > Why would anyone who wants to write a paper want to use a research system? It is my contention that much of the usability/success of Unix came from the fact that it was *used*, and not just built and then mined for research results, the way most university os's are. I think if people put Plan 9 into production for day to day use, including grungy things like writing papers, they might end up with more productive environments for themselves. (This would be true of other os's as well, eg Clouds here at GT.) Maybe I'm wrong. But the attitude of "I just want to get my job done, I don't care about elegance/non-elegance of my environment" just leads us to DOS, Novell, and Windows NT. Yuck. Arnold