[ruby-core:119335] [Ruby master Bug#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[ruby-core:119335] [Ruby master Bug#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been reported by AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro).

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Bug #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
* ruby -v: 3.3.5
* Backport: 3.1: UNKNOWN, 3.2: UNKNOWN, 3.3: UNKNOWN
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119336] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[nobu (Nobuyoshi Nakada) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by nobu (Nobuyoshi Nakada).

Tracker changed from Bug to Feature
ruby -v deleted (3.3.5)
Backport deleted (3.1: UNKNOWN, 3.2: UNKNOWN, 3.3: UNKNOWN)

In the previous trial syntax, the receiver of RHS was the result of LHS.

In your proposal, the receiver of RHS is the same as LHS, and the LHS result is passed as an implicit argument?


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Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-109947

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119340] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro).


nobu (Nobuyoshi Nakada) wrote in #note-1:
> In the previous trial syntax, the receiver of RHS was the result of LHS.
> 
> In your proposal, the receiver of RHS is the same as LHS, and the LHS result is passed as an implicit argument?

Exactly, this is the expected behavior of the pipe operator in other functional languages, such as Elixir. In those languages, the left-hand side (LHS) value is passed directly as an argument to the function on the right-hand side (RHS), either as the first or last argument depending on the language. For example, in Elixir, you might write:

```elixir
value = value |> add(3) |> square() |> half()
```

My proposal for Ruby offers a more flexible approach. The LHS value can be passed as an explicit argument (using `_1` or `it`), allowing for greater control over how the RHS function handles the received value.

Additionally, this approach simplifies the implementation by treating RHS as executable block, just as we already do with `.then`.

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Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-109951

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119341] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[shuber (Sean Huber) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by shuber (Sean Huber).


I would still love to see this type of pipeline functionality implemented with plain expressions instead of new operators.

I have this (old) working [proof of concept](https://github.com/lendinghome/pipe_operator#-pipe_operator) gem from years ago (basic syntax described below) but it was primarily focused on constant interception. I imagine it can be quite a bit more complex adding support for calling Proc objects and other edge cases.

```ruby
"https://api.github.com/repos/ruby/ruby".pipe do
  URI.parse
  Net::HTTP.get
  JSON.parse.fetch("stargazers_count")
  yield_self { |n| "Ruby has #{n} stars" }
  Kernel.puts
end
#=> Ruby has 22120 stars

-9.pipe { abs; Math.sqrt; to_i } #=> 3

[9, 64].map(&Math.pipe.sqrt.to_i.to_s) #=> ["3", "8"]
```

Most of the logic in that proof of concept was related to intercepting method calls to ALL constants which wouldn't be necessary if it was a core part of the language. The actual "pipeline" functionality (`PipeOperator::Pipe` and `PipeOperator::Closure`) is pretty simple - basically just keeping an array of constant+method+args calls and `reduce`ing the result when the pipeline ends.

The proof of concept is basically `prepend`ing a version of every method in every constant with something like the example below in order to support this "pipeline expressions" syntax:

```ruby
define_method(method) do |*args, &block|
  if Pipe.open
    Pipe.new(self).__send__(method, *args, &block)
  else
    super(*args, &block)
  end
end
```

https://github.com/lendinghome/pipe_operator#-pipe_operator

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Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-109952

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119362] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[bkuhlmann (Brooke Kuhlmann) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by bkuhlmann (Brooke Kuhlmann).


For background, this has been discussed before:

- [15799](https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/15799): This was implemented and then reverted.
- [20580](https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20580): This recently popped up as well.
- There are probably other issues that I'm forgetting about that have been logged on this subject.

Introducing `|>` as an operator that works like `#then` would be interesting and would be similar to how Elixir works, as Alexandre mentioned. This is also how [Elm](https://elm-lang.org) works where you can elegantly use `|>` or `<|` as mentioned in the [Operators](https://elm-lang.org/docs/syntax#operators) documentation.

I also use something similar to how Sean uses a `#pipe` method with a block but mostly by refining the `Symbol` class as documented [here](https://alchemists.io/projects/refinements#_call) in my [Refinements](https://alchemists.io/projects/refinements) gem.

Also, similar to what Sean is describing, I provide the ability to *pipe* commands together without using `|>` by using my [Pipeable](https://alchemists.io/projects/pipeable) gem which builds upon native function composition to nice effect. Here's a snippet:

``` ruby
pipe data,
     check(/Book.+Price/, :match?),
     :parse,
     map { |item| "#{item[:book]}: #{item[:price]}" }
```

In both cases (refining `Symbol` or using Pipeable), the solution works great and provides and implements what is described here using different solutions. All solutions are fairly performant but would be neat if the performance could be improved further if there was a way to optimize these solutions natively in Ruby.

----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-109974

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119364] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro).


bkuhlmann (Brooke Kuhlmann) wrote in #note-4:
> For background, this has been discussed before:
> 
> - [15799](https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/15799): This was implemented and then reverted.
> - [20580](https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20580): This recently popped up as well.
> - There are probably other issues that I'm forgetting about that have been logged on this subject.
> 
> Introducing `|>` as an operator that works like `#then` would be interesting and would be similar to how Elixir works, as Alexandre mentioned. This is also how [Elm](https://elm-lang.org) works where you can elegantly use `|>` or `<|` as mentioned in the [Operators](https://elm-lang.org/docs/syntax#operators) documentation.
> 
> I also use something similar to how Sean uses a `#pipe` method with a block but mostly by refining the `Symbol` class as documented [here](https://alchemists.io/projects/refinements#_call) in my [Refinements](https://alchemists.io/projects/refinements) gem.
> 
> Also, similar to what Sean is describing, I provide the ability to *pipe* commands together without using `|>` by using my [Pipeable](https://alchemists.io/projects/pipeable) gem which builds upon native function composition to nice effect. Here's a snippet:
> 
> ``` ruby
> pipe data,
>      check(/Book.+Price/, :match?),
>      :parse,
>      map { |item| "#{item[:book]}: #{item[:price]}" }
> ```
> 
> In both cases (refining `Symbol` or using Pipeable), the solution works great and provides and implements what is described here using different solutions. All solutions are fairly performant but would be neat if the performance could be improved further if there was a way to optimize these solutions natively in Ruby.

One issue with `.pipe` is that it mixes two approaches: the object method chain (`lhs.rhs`) and passing the result as an argument (`rhs(lhs)`). This inconsistency can be a bit confusing because it shifts between the two styles, making it harder to follow the flow.

in the `.pipe` version:

```
"https://api.github.com/repos/ruby/ruby".pipe do
  URI.parse
  Net::HTTP.get
  JSON.parse.fetch("stargazers_count")
  yield_self { |n| "Ruby has #{n} stars" }
  Kernel.puts
end
```

With a pipe operator, we can achieve the same result in a more consistent and readable way:

```
"https://api.github.com/repos/ruby/ruby"
  |> URI.parse(it)
  |> Net::HTTP.get(it)
  |> JSON.parse(it).fetch("stargazers_count")
  |> puts "Ruby has #{_1} stars"
```

This keeps the flow of passing the result from one step to the next clear and consistent, making the code easier to read and maintain. The pipe operator doesn’t add any extra complexity to method calls and provides more flexibility regarding how the "piped" value is used, making it feel more natural in the Ruby syntax.

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Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-109977

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119365] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[vo.x (Vit Ondruch) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by vo.x (Vit Ondruch).


Code like `add(value, 3)` is hardly some idiomatic Ruby. If it was be Ruby, then you'd likely use `value.add(3)` or `value + 3`. Other examples of readable code are [here](https://poignant.guide/book/chapter-3.html). I can't see what is readable about the new operator.

Also, I'd say that `Math` module is bad example in general, because it seems to be influenced by commonly used math notation. But arguably, having something like `Math::PI.cos` or `3.14.cos` would be quite natural for Ruby.

----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-109978

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119366] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro).


vo.x (Vit Ondruch) wrote in #note-6:
> Code like `add(value, 3)` is hardly some idiomatic Ruby. If it was Ruby, then you'd likely use `value.add(3)` or `value + 3`. Other examples of readable code are [here](https://poignant.guide/book/chapter-3.html). I can't see what is readable about the new operator.
> 
> Also, I'd say that `Math` module is bad example in general, because it seems to be influenced by commonly used math notation. But arguably, having something like `Math::PI.cos` or `3.14.cos` would be quite natural for Ruby.

I believe there’s a misunderstanding here. The example `add(value, 3)` is not intended to represent an idiomatic Ruby expression, like `value + 3`. Rather, it illustrates how a method call that modifies or processes a value would work within a pipeline.

Using the pipe operator is helpful for showing the order of executions. For example, if you want to execute a function `f` followed by `g`, you could write:

```
g(f(x))
```

However, it's easier to follow the order of executions (e.g., f and then g) when written like this:

```
x |> f |> g
```

In real-world scenarios, especially when working with APIs or complex transformations, it's common to prepare data step by step before reaching the final function. Instead of using intermediate variables, which might only be used once, the pipe operator offers a clearer and more efficient solution. For instance, consider fetching and processing data from a client API:

```
response = URI.parse(client_api_url)
response = Net::HTTP.get(response)
response = JSON.parse(response).fetch("client_data")
puts "Client info: #{response}"
```

With the pipe operator, the same logic can be simplified and made more readable:

```
client_api_url
  |> URI.parse(it)
  |> Net::HTTP.get(it)
  |> JSON.parse(it).fetch(important_key)
```

This approach not only avoids unnecessary variables but also makes the flow of data through the pipeline much clearer. The pipe operator simplifies this pattern and ensures readability, without adding complexity to method calls. It also provides flexibility in how the "passed" value is used throughout the steps.

Again, these are simplified examples of real-world problems, where the pipe operator can help streamline and clarify otherwise convoluted method chains.

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Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-109979

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119367] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[ufuk (Ufuk Kayserilioglu) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by ufuk (Ufuk Kayserilioglu).


AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro) wrote in #note-7:
> With the pipe operator, the same logic can be simplified and made more readable:
> 
> ```
> client_api_url
>   |> URI.parse(it)
>   |> Net::HTTP.get(it)
>   |> JSON.parse(it).fetch(important_key)
> ```

I would like to note that this almost works already today:
```ruby
irb> client_api_url = "https://jsonplaceholder.typicode.com/posts/1"
#=> "https://jsonplaceholder.typicode.com/posts/1"

irb> pipeline = URI.method(:parse) >> Net::HTTP.method(:get) >> JSON.method(:parse)
#=> #<Proc:0x000000012c62b4e8 (lambda)>

irb> pipeline.call(client_api_url)
#=>
{"userId"=>1,
 "id"=>1,
 "title"=>"sunt aut facere repellat provident occaecati excepturi optio reprehenderit",
 "body"=>
  "quia et suscipit\nsuscipit recusandae consequuntur expedita et cum\nreprehenderit molestiae ut ut quas totam\nnostrum rerum est autem sunt rem eveniet architecto"}

irb> pipeline = URI.method(:parse) >> Net::HTTP.method(:get) >> JSON.method(:parse) >> -> { it.fetch("title") }
#=> #<Proc:0x000000012c4c2778 (lambda)>

irb> pipeline.call(client_api_url)
#=> "sunt aut facere repellat provident occaecati excepturi optio reprehenderit"

```

You can also make the whole pipeline with just using procs:
```ruby
(-> { URI.parse(it) } >> -> { Net::HTTP.get(it) } >> -> { JSON.parse(it) } >> -> { it.fetch("title") }).call(client_api_url)
#=> "sunt aut facere repellat provident occaecati excepturi optio reprehenderit"
```
which is much closer to the syntax that you want, except for the lambda wrappers.

I think with `Proc#>>` and `Proc#<<` this need for chaining is mostly in place already. The thing that is really missing is the ability to access a method by name without having to do `.method(:name)` which was proposed in https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/16264. That proposal would make the first example be:
```ruby
(URI.:parse >> Net::HTTP.:get >> JSON.:parse >> -> { it.fetch("title") }).call(client_api_url)
#=> "sunt aut facere repellat provident occaecati excepturi optio reprehenderit"
```
which looks much nicer.

----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-109980

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119368] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro).


ufuk (Ufuk Kayserilioglu) wrote in #note-8: 
> You can also make the whole pipeline with just using procs:
> ```ruby
> (-> { URI.parse(it) } >> -> { Net::HTTP.get(it) } >> -> { JSON.parse(it) } >> -> { it.fetch("title") }).call(client_api_url)
> #=> "sunt aut facere repellat provident occaecati excepturi optio reprehenderit"
> ```

Yes, and it's also possible to achieve this with a chain of `.then`, which results in a similar structure. The idea of the pipe operator is to be syntactic sugar, bringing functionality from functional languages into Ruby without introducing any complexity, while maintaining ruby's simplicity.

```ruby
client_api_url
  .then { URI.parse(it) }
  .then { Net::HTTP.get(it) }
  .then { JSON.parse(it).fetch(important_key) }
```

----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-109981

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119369] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[jeremyevans0 (Jeremy Evans) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by jeremyevans0 (Jeremy Evans).


AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro) wrote in #note-9:
> Yes, and it's also possible to achieve this with a chain of `.then`, which results in a similar structure. The idea of the pipe operator is to be syntactic sugar, bringing functionality from functional languages into Ruby without introducing any complexity, while maintaining ruby's simplicity.
> 
> ```ruby
> client_api_url
>   .then { URI.parse(it) }
>   .then { Net::HTTP.get(it) }
>   .then { JSON.parse(it).fetch(important_key) }
> ```

We could expand the syntax to treat `.{}` as `.then{}`, similar to how `.()` is `.call()`.  With that, you could do:

```ruby
client_api_url
  .{ URI.parse(it) }
  .{ Net::HTTP.get(it) }
  .{ JSON.parse(it).fetch(important_key) }
```

Which is almost as low of a syntatic overhead as you would want.

Note that we are still in a syntax moratorium, so it's probably better to wait until after that is over and we have crowned the one true parser before seriously considering new syntax.

----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-109982

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119370] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro).


jeremyevans0 (Jeremy Evans) wrote in #note-10:
> We could expand the syntax to treat `.{}` as `.then{}`, similar to how `.()` is `.call()`.  With that, you could do:
> 
> ```ruby
> client_api_url
>   .{ URI.parse(it) }
>   .{ Net::HTTP.get(it) }
>   .{ JSON.parse(it).fetch(important_key) }
> ```
> 
> Which is almost as low of a syntatic overhead as you would want.
> 
> Note that we are still in a syntax moratorium, so it's probably better to wait until after that is over and we have crowned the one true parser before seriously considering new syntax.

The idea of using `.{}` is really creative, but it feels somewhat unintuitive. On the other hand, the pipe operator is a well-established concept, which would ease adoption.

----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-109983

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119372] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[ko1 (Koichi Sasada) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by ko1 (Koichi Sasada).


FYI: https://github.com/tc39/proposal-pipeline-operator

is similar idea.

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Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-109985

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119375] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[vo.x (Vit Ondruch) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by vo.x (Vit Ondruch).


AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro) wrote in #note-7:

To me it just demonstrates that the APIs are likely incomplete and don't provide methods for easy conversion. We have a lot of conversion methods such as `#to_str`, `#to_json`, ... But there is no implicit transition from having e.g. `String` object to `URI`. I'd rather see something like `client_api_url.to(URI)` which could be equivalent of `URI(client_api_url)`.

I also like the example provided by @ufuk

----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-109991

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119373] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[mame (Yusuke Endoh) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by mame (Yusuke Endoh).


When pipeline operator was proposed previously (#15799), we briefly spoke of the idea of a block notation without a closing bracket ([the meeting log](https://github.com/ruby/dev-meeting-log/blob/c908bf7e7be60af5c5feabb544541de5f7d003ef/2019/DevMeeting-2019-06-13.md?plain=1#L225)).

For example,

```
add(value, 3).then do |x|> square(x)
```

is interpreted as:

```
add(value, 3).then {|x| square(x) }
```

However, this notation is a bit outlandish, so it was never taken very seriously.

Reconsidering it with the notation proposed in this ticket:

```
add(value, 3).then |> square(it).then |> half(it)
```

is handled as:

```
add(value, 3).then { square(it).then { half(it) } } # Or:
add(value, 3).then { square(it) }.then { half(it) } # depending on the associativity of |>. I am not sure which is better
```

It might be a good idea that we specialize this notation only for a block that is so simple that we don't need to name the parameters.

But personally, I also feel that:

```
value = add(value, 3)
value = square(value)
value = half(value)
```

is good enough.

----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-109989

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119376] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[vo.x (Vit Ondruch) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by vo.x (Vit Ondruch).


Not mentioning, the example ignores error handling, which would be IMHO the biggest problem in real life example 

----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-109992

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119377] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[zverok (Victor Shepelev) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by zverok (Victor Shepelev).


> We could expand the syntax to treat `.{}` as `.then{}`, similar to how `.()` is `.call()`. 

I really like this idea. Yes, it is not “how it is in other languages” yet it has a deep internal consistency with other language elements and easy to understand—both for people and to automatic analysis tools, with no ambiguities about what’s allowed as a step of such “pipeline” and what’s not, what’s the scope of used names, where the expression ends and so on.

This is awesome, actually.

----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-109993

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119378] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[zverok (Victor Shepelev) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by zverok (Victor Shepelev).


vo.x (Vit Ondruch) wrote in #note-14:
> AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro) wrote in #note-7:
> 
> To me it just demonstrates that the APIs are likely incomplete and don't provide methods for easy conversion. We have a lot of conversion methods such as `#to_str`, `#to_json`, ... But there is no implicit transition from having e.g. `String` object to `URI`. I'd rather see something like `client_api_url.to(URI)` which could be equivalent of `URI(client_api_url)`.
> 

I don’t think it is realistic, generally. I mean, convert every `f(g(x))` to “`x` should have method `g`, and the result should have method `f`, so you can write `x.g.f` always (or in most widespread situations)”.

Many possible cases _can_ be argued about, but 1) the argument would not necessarily demonstrate that API change is reasonable, and 2) even when reasonable, it is not always possible.

Say, if we take the sequence that is mentioned several times already (string → URL → HTTP get → JSON parse), then both concerns apply:
1. `String#to_url` (or `String#to(URL)` might be reasonable; `#HTTPResponse#parse_json`... maybe too; but `URL#http_get`?.. Not everybody would agree.
2. Even if agreeing on adding all those methods in principle, what about using a different HTTP library or a different JSON parser, what’s the answer would be?.. Something like `URL#http_get(with: Typhoeus)` or `URL#typhoeus_get` added for every library? Adding local refinements to handle that depending on the library? What if the HTTP library used depends on dynamic parameters?..

So, while I agree that many APIs in Ruby have an intuition of the “object at hand has all the methods you need for the next step”, in large realistic codebases, it is not so (both technically and ideologically), and `then { DifferentDomain.handle(it) }` is a very widespread way to mitigate that.

----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-109994

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119379] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[vo.x (Vit Ondruch) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by vo.x (Vit Ondruch).


zverok (Victor Shepelev) wrote in #note-17:
> I don’t think it is realistic, generally. I mean, convert every `f(g(x))` to “`x` should have method `g`, and the result should have method `f`, so you can write `x.g.f` always (or in most widespread situations)”.

Right, this was far fetched and would not work admittedly. But that is why I proposed the `client_api_url.to(URI)`, because after all, this is IMHO mostly about type conversion. Why would I ever want to call something like `URI.parse(it)`? Why would I need to know there is `parse` method and why would I need to put `it` / `_1` multiple times everywhere and every time in different context.

----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-109995

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119381] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro).


vo.x (Vit Ondruch) wrote in #note-18:
> Right, this was far fetched and would not work admittedly. But that is why I proposed the `client_api_url.to(URI)`, because after all, this is IMHO mostly about type conversion. Why would I ever want to call something like `URI.parse(it)`? Why would I need to know there is `parse` method and why would I need to put `it` / `_1` multiple times everywhere and every time in different context.

Zverok was precise in his comment.

I understand your point, but the idea of to(URI) introduces an inversion of responsibility, which can lead to dependency inversion issues — a poor practice in software design, especially when working with different libraries.

It's unclear what you mean by `client_api_url` in this context since, in my example, it was simply a string. Having a .to method on a string seems generic and nonsensical.

As for the question "Why would I ever want to call something like URI.parse(it)?", code is already written this way. The pipe operator doesn’t change the syntax but rather inverts the reading flow.

Lastly, the pipe operator is a well-established concept that aims to streamline existing Ruby syntax, not alter it.

```ruby
client_api_url
  |> URI.parse(it)
  |> Net::HTTP.get(it)
  |> JSON.parse(it).fetch(important_key)
```

This is so clean. It's just Ruby.

----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-109998

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119383] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[Dan0042 (Daniel DeLorme) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by Dan0042 (Daniel DeLorme).


I'm not a big fan of this pipe operator idea, but at least the idea of using `it` is a good one; it solves many problems with previous proposals.

```ruby
foo = 42
1 |> foo |> BAR
#foo should be localvar but somehow is parsed as method here?
#BAR should be constant but somehow is parsed as method here?
              
1 |> foo(it) |> BAR(it)
#at least foo and BAR are recognizably methods

1 |> foo(it, 2)
2 |> foo(1, it)
hash |> BAR(**it)
#also, it allows flexibility in how the argument is passed
```

But that being said, this doesn't seem to be so useful to me. If we compare "before" and "after" the pipe operator:

```ruby
#current
client_api_url
  .then{ URI.parse(it) }
  .then{ Net::HTTP.get(it) }
  .then{ JSON.parse(it).fetch(important_key) }

#with |> syntax sugar
client_api_url
  |> URI.parse(it) 
  |> Net::HTTP.get(it) 
  |> JSON.parse(it).fetch(important_key) 
```

It really doesn't seem to me that readability is increased in any meaningful way. The benefit seems way too low to justify adding new syntax.

Languages with the pipe operator all have first-class functions (afaik); the two kinda go together. But Ruby doesn't have first-class functions so the usefulness of the pipe operator will inevitably be very limited.

If the pipe operator is introduced I think it should behave similarly to other languages, where the RHS is a callable object. In fact if we define the pipe operator as invoking #call or #bind_call on the RHS, I could see the beginning of a feature that is more useful than just syntax sugar.

```ruby
str |> JSON.method(:parse)
1 |> Object.instance_method(:to_s) #=> "#<Integer:0x0000000000000003>"

#and now we just need nice shorthands for Mod.method(:name) and Mod.instance_method(:name)  ;-)
```


----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-110000

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119384] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[ufuk (Ufuk Kayserilioglu) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by ufuk (Ufuk Kayserilioglu).


I tend to agree with @Dan0042 on this one, this seems to go against the nature of Ruby. In Ruby, an expression like `URI.parse(it)` is always eagerly evaluated, except when it is inside a block. This is not true in other languages; ones that make a distinction between `Foo.bar` and `Foo.bar()`, for example. This proposal, however, is adding a new conceptual context in which the evaluation would be delayed, which would be in a sequence of pipeline operators. I am not sure if I like that, to be honest.

In contrast, I like @jeremyevans0 's suggestion to add syntactic sugar to `.then` method in the form of `.{}` which still keeps the block as the only construct that would delay the evaluation of methods, and it allows the use of numbered block parameters and/or `it` inside such blocks without any other changes to the language.

----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-110001

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119385] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[austin (Austin Ziegler) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by austin (Austin Ziegler).


I think that this is one of the more interesting approaches to a pipeline operator in Ruby as it is just syntax sugar. As I am understanding it:

```ruby
foo
|> bar(_1, baz)
|> hoge(_1, quux)
```

would be treated by the parser to be the same as:

```ruby
foo
  .then { bar(_1, baz) }
  .then { hoge(_1, quux) }
```

It would be *nice* (given that there syntax sugaring happening here) that if `it` or `_1` is missing, it is implicitly inserted as the first parameter:

```ruby
foo
|> bar(baz)
|> hoge(quux)

  ==

foo
  .then { bar(_1, baz) }
  .then { hoge(_1, quux) }
```

This would enable the use of callables (procs and un/bound methods) as suggested by @dan0042 in #note-20.

I am *not* sure that without that implicit first parameter, the potential confusion introduced by the differently-shaped blocks is worthwhile. Regardless, as someone who maintains libraries that with deep compatibility, I won't be able to use this in those for another decade at least (I *still* haven't released versions of my most used libraries that are 3.x only), by which time I am hoping to have found someone else to maintain them.

vo.x (Vit Ondruch) wrote in #note-18:
> [the pipe operator] is IMHO mostly about type conversion

Having used Elixir heavily for the last seven years, I do not agree with this description. It *can* be, and the examples in question might be, but it's used equally in transformation (type conversion) and in context passing. `Plug` (more or less the Elixir equivalent to Rack) is composable because the first parameter to every plug function (whether a `function/2` or a module with `init/1` and `call/2`) is a `Plug.Conn` struct, allowing code like this:

```elixir
def call(conn, %Config{} = config) do
  {metadata, span_context} =
    start_span(:plug, %{conn: conn, options: Config.telemetry_context(config)})

  conn =
    register_before_send(conn, fn conn ->
      stop_span(span_context, Map.put(metadata, :conn, conn))
      conn
    end)

  results =
    conn
    |> verify_request_headers(config)
    |> Map.new()

  conn
  |> put_private(config.name, results)
  |> dispatch_results(config)
  |> dispatch_on_resolution(config.on_resolution)
end
```

This is no different than:

```elixir
def call(conn, %Config{} = config) do
  {metadata, span_context} =
    start_span(:plug, %{conn: conn, options: Config.telemetry_context(config)})

  conn =
    register_before_send(conn, fn conn ->
      stop_span(span_context, Map.put(metadata, :conn, conn))
      conn
    end)

  results = verify_request_headers(conn, config)
  results = Map.new(results)

  conn = put_private(conn, config.name, results)
  conn = dispatch_results(conn, config)
  dispatch_on_resolution(conn, config.on_resolution)
end
```

I find the former *much* more readable, because it's more data oriented and indicates that the data flows *through* the pipe — where it might be transformed (`conn |> verify_request_headers(…) |> Map.new()`) or it might just be modifying the input parameter (`conn |> put_private(…) |> dispatch_results(…) |> dispatch_on_resolution(…)`).

jeremyevans0 (Jeremy Evans) wrote in #note-10:
> We could expand the syntax to treat `.{}` as `.then{}`, similar to how `.()` is `.call()`.  With that, you could do:
> 
> ```ruby
> client_api_url
>   .{ URI.parse(it) }
>   .{ Net::HTTP.get(it) }
>   .{ JSON.parse(it).fetch(important_key) }
> ```
> 
> Which is almost as low of a syntatic overhead as you would want.
> 
> Note that we are still in a syntax moratorium, so it's probably better to wait until after that is over and we have crowned the one true parser before seriously considering new syntax.

This is … interesting. The biggest problem with it (from my perspective) is that it would privilege `{}` blocks with this form, because `do` *is* a valid method name, so `.do URI.parse(it) end` likely be a syntax error. That and the fact that it would be nearly a decade before it could be used by my libraries.

----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-110002

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119386] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro).


ufuk (Ufuk Kayserilioglu) wrote in #note-21:
> I tend to agree with @Dan0042 on this one, this seems to go against the nature of Ruby. In Ruby, an expression like `URI.parse(it)` is always eagerly evaluated, except when it is inside a block. This is not true in other languages; ones that make a distinction between `Foo.bar` and `Foo.bar()`, for example. This proposal, however, is adding a new conceptual context in which the evaluation would be delayed, which would be in a sequence of pipeline operators. I am not sure if I like that, to be honest.

Actually, with the pipe operator, `URI.parse(it)` is also inside a block, but the block is implicit.

The block spans from the pipe operator itself to the next pipe operator or a new line, making it simpler and more concise without changing the evaluation flow.

----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-110003

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119387] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[Eregon (Benoit Daloze) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by Eregon (Benoit Daloze).


One concern with so many `then {}` is that's a non-trivial overhead for execution (2 method calls + 1 block call for `then { foo(it) }` vs 1 method call for `foo(var)`).
So if it's added I think it should translate to the same as using local variables and not `then {}` blocks.

I would write that snippet like this:
```ruby
json = Net::HTTP.get(URI.parse(client_api_url))
JSON.parse(json).fetch(important_key) 
```
2 lines of code vs 4, and IMO just as readable if not better.
So in my opinion there is no need for a pipeline operator for this.

Also I would think in real code one would probably want to `rescue` some exceptions there, and so the pipeline wouldn't gain much visually and might need to be broken down in several parts anyway.

----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-110004

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119389] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[zverok (Victor Shepelev) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by zverok (Victor Shepelev).


@Eregon this example (at least for me) is just an easy target for discussion (because it uses standard libraries, is easily reproducible, and demonstrates the multi-step realistic process that uses several libraries at once).

I believe the point here is not “how it could be rewritten in non-flow-style,” but rather “many people in many codebases find flow-style useful, should we have a syntax sugar for it?”

I can confirm that for me (and many colleagues who were exposed to this style), it seems a more convenient way, especially to structure business code or quick sketching. It also might have a positive effect on overall algorithm structuring: the code author starts to think in “sequence of steps” terms, and (again, especially in complicated business code developed rapidly) it provides some protection against messy methods, where many local variables are calculated, and soon it is hard to tell which of them related to which of the next steps and how many flows are there.

I think it is also very natural to Ruby, considering one of the things we have different than many other languages is Enumerable as the center cycle structure, which supports chains of sequence transformations... So, `then` is just a chain of singular value transformations.

But I think it is not necessary to prefer this style yourself to acknowledge others find it useful. (Well, alternatively, it could be a discussion like “nobody should do that, it shouldn’t be preferred/supported style,” but that’s another discussion.)

----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-110006

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119391] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[eightbitraptor (Matthew Valentine-House) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by eightbitraptor (Matthew Valentine-House).


[The Ruby-lang homepage](https://www.ruby-lang.org) states that Ruby has

> a focus on simplicity and productivity. It has an elegant syntax that is natural to read and easy to write.

And on the [about page](https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/about/):

> Ruby often uses very limited punctuation and usually prefers English keywords, some punctuation is used to decorate Ruby.

In my opinion this proposal conflicts with this description because:

1. `|>` is less natural to read than the English word `then`. `then` has a clear and unambiguous meaning, `|>` is an arbitrary combination of symbols that developers need to learn.
2. `|>` masks complexity - requiring users to learn and remember knowledge that could be easily read from the source code.

I don't understand, from reading this discussion, what benefit we would gain from writing the proposed:

```
client_api_url
  |> URI.parse(it)
  |> Net::HTTP.get(it)
  |> JSON.parse(it).fetch(important_key)
```

especially when, as has already been pointed out, we can do this in the current version:

```
client_api_url
  .then { URI.parse(it) }
  .then { Net::HTTP.get(it) }
  .then { JSON.parse(it).fetch(important_key) }
```

which is arguably more readable, and more intention revealing.

Lastly 

> bringing functionality from functional languages into Ruby without introducing any complexity, while maintaining ruby's simplicity.

This isn't importing functionality from other languages, merely syntax. I'm against adopting syntax if there isn't a clear (and preferable measurable) benefit to the Ruby ecosystem.


----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-110007

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119392] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro).


I strongly agree that new additions should be thoroughly evaluated and aligned with the philosophy of the language ("A programmer's best friend"). I've found the discussion so far to be very productive, and my opinion is that:

I don't see `|>` as "an arbitrary combination of symbols". I believe the pipe operator is a well-established concept, predating Ruby itself, and symbolic usage to express certain expressions is already present in the language, such as `&:method_name` instead of `{ |x| x.method_name }`.

----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-110008

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119396] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[zverok (Victor Shepelev) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by zverok (Victor Shepelev).


A couple of my counterpoints to `|>` (and towards `.{}`, if we do need syntax sugar in this place at all):

While `|>` sure exists in other languages, we need to look into how it plays with the rest of the code/semantics of _our_ language (because in languages where it exists, it is typically supported by many small and large semantical facts).

Say, in Elixir, one might write this (not precise code, writing kind-of pseudocode from the top of my head):
```elixir
row
  |> String.split('|')
  |> Enumerable.map(fn x -> parse(x) end)
  |> Enumerable.filter(&Number.odd?)
  |> MyModule.process_numbers
  |> String.join('-')
```

In Ruby, the equivalent would be _mostly_ with “current object’s methods”, as @vo.x notes, with `.then` occasionally compensating when you need to use another module:
```ruby
row
  .split('|')
  .map { parse(it) }
  .filter(&:odd?)
  .then { MyModule.process_numbers(it) }
  .join('-')
```

What would `|>` bring here?
```ruby
row
  .split('|')
  .map { parse(it) }
  .filter(&:odd?)
  |> MyModule.process_numbers(it)
  .join('-')
```
In my view, only syntactical/semantic confusion (what’s the scope in `|>` line? is `join` attached to its result, or is it inside the „invisible block”?.. Why do we have a fancy symbol for `.then`, but not for `map` or `filter`, which are arguably even more widespread?..)

Every time the topic arises, I am confused about it the same way. It seems like just chasing “what others have,” without much strong argument other than “but others do it this way.” But I might really miss something here.

----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-110012

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119405] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[shuber (Sean Huber) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by shuber (Sean Huber).


I agree with @zverok and am not quite sold on the value of `|>` over the existing `.then{}` if we still have to explicitly specify implicit args like `it/_1/etc` (unlike elixir).

I am intrigued by the `.{}` syntax though but wish it did more than behave as an alias for `.then{}`.

What if `.{}` behaved more like this elixir-style syntax without implicit args?

```ruby
# existing ruby syntax

url
  .then { URI.parse(it) }
  .then { Net::HTTP.get(it) }
  .then { JSON.parse(it).fetch_keys("some", "keys") }
  .then { JSON.pretty_generate(it, allow_nan: false) }
  .then { Example.with_non_default_arg_positioning(other_object, it) }

# proposed ruby syntax

url
  .{ URI.parse }
  .{ Net::HTTP.get }
  .{ JSON.parse.fetch_keys("some", "keys") }
  .{ JSON.pretty_generate(allow_nan: false) }
  .{ Example.with_non_default_arg_positioning(other_object, self) }
```


----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-110020

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119408] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro).


zverok (Victor Shepelev) wrote in #note-28:
> What would `|>` bring here?
> ```ruby
> row
>   .split('|')
>   .map { parse(it) }
>   .filter(&:odd?)
>   |> MyModule.process_numbers(it)
>   .join('-')
> ```
> In my view, only syntactical/semantic confusion (what’s the scope in `|>` line? is `join` attached to its result, or is it inside the „invisible block”?.. Why do we have a fancy symbol for `.then`, but not for `map` or `filter`, which are arguably even more widespread?..)

I’d like to turn the question around and ask what would be returned from the following code?

```ruby
array_a = [{ name: 'A', points: 30 }, { name: 'B', points: 20 }, { name: 'C', points: 10 }]
array_b = [{ name: 'D', points: 0 }, { name: 'E', points: 0 }]

array_c = array_a
  .sort { |a, b| b[:points] <=> a[:points] }
  + array_b
  .map { |el| el[:name] }
```

This highlights that mixing operators and methods within a chain can indeed create confusion. The example is tricky because it's not clear if `+` is meant to apply to the results of array_a's sort or to the entire combination of array_a and the mapped values of array_b.

In the same way, the `|>` operator might introduce confusion if it's mixed in with method chains without proper context. However, just like `+`, `|>` is simply another operator. It can be understood like:

- `a |> b` translates to something like `->(a) { b }`.
- Similarly, `a + b` is `->(a, b) { a + b }`.

In both your example and mine, the operators (|> and +) could simply be replaced with appropriate methods (then and concat, respectively), depending on the context and desired functionality.

----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-110023

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119409] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[zverok (Victor Shepelev) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by zverok (Victor Shepelev).


@AlexandreMagro I don’t think this analogy is suitable here. 

Of course, there are operators that aren’t convenient to use in chaining (though, I should admit to the sin of sometimes just using `the.chain.with.+(argument).like.that`, and it works and follows the existing Ruby semantics and intuitions, even if not to everybody’s liking). 

But my point was that the proposed construct is _specifically_ for easier chaining but doesn’t fall in line with any other Ruby’s tool for that. I think a comparison with Elixir demonstrates that. 

In Elixir, you’ll say, “see, whatever you need to do with the value, just do with more `|>`, it is all the same.” 

In Ruby, you say “when you work with collections, you do `.method` and blocks; when you work with methods object already has, you do `.method`; when you need debug print in the middle of the chain, you can `.tap { p _1 }` just like that... But oh, there is also this one nice operator which you can’t mix with anything but it is there too... And it also creates an invisible block like nowhere else, but it is just there for convenience and looking like Elixir, sometimes!”

That’s the major drawback of the proposal in my eyes, and I fail to see a comparably major _gain_.

----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-110024

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119436] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[lpogic via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by lpogic (Łukasz Pomietło).


Has 'then' but as a keyword been considered? 
In the basic version it could appear as a 'begin..then..end' block:
``` ruby
value = begin add value, 3 then square it then half it end
```
It looks like syntax highlighting is ready. 'begin' can be replaced with something else, but then it would be harder to prove such forms:
``` ruby
value = begin value
then add it, 3
then square it
then |v| # optional 'it' name?
  half v
rescue # optional error handling?
  puts "Error"
  0
end
```

``` ruby
def foo(value)
  add value, 3
then
  square it
then
  half it
end
```
The endless (and beginless) version may be more controversial, but if used with caution it could make sense:
``` ruby
value = add value, 3 then square it then half it
```







----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-110056

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119466] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[nevans (Nicholas Evans) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by nevans (Nicholas Evans).


I think there are good reasons to want a `|>` operator in addition to (or instead of) `.{}`, but `foo.{ bar it }` is intriguing syntactic sugar.  I think I like it.  I just noticed that [it was rejected by Matz](https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/12760#note-17) when `#yield_self` was introduced.  But perhaps (when the syntax moratorium has ended) time will have changed his mind?  It does seem to have a natural connection to `foo.()`.

_But_, I would strongly prefer for it to be an alias for `#yield_self`; ***not*** for `#then`.  Maybe that's a subtle distinction.  Many rubyists seem to treat `#then` as a pure alias for `#yield_self`.  But they are _not_ perfect synonyms.  When `#then` was first proposed, Matz specifically mentioned [that they have different semantics](https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/14594#note-17):
> It is introduced that a normal object can behave like promises.
> So the name conflict is intentional.
> If you really wanted a non-unwrapping method for promises, use `yield_self`.

In other words, we should not assume that every object implements `#then` the exact same way.  I have a lot of async code that predates `Object#then`.  From a purely linguistic viewpoint, when we're dealing with a object that represents a completable process, the English word "then" strongly implies that the block will only run _after_ the process has completed.

So I treat `#yield_self` and `#then` the same way that I treat `equal?`, `eql?`, `==`, and `#===`.  The fact that all of these behave more-or-less identically on Object is not determinative: classes _should_ override `#eql?`, `#==`, and `#===` to properly represent the different forms of equality.  Likewise, `#then` _should_ be overridden for any object that represents a completable process.  On the other hand, just like `#equal?`, `#yield_self` should _never_ be overridden, and it should only occasionally even be used.

I will use `#equal?` or `#yield_self` when the _semantics_ fit, even if that particular object doesn't override `#==` and `#then`.  E.g:
```ruby
# runs immediately: so "then" is not appropriate
Thread.new do do_stuff end
  .yield_self { register_task_from_thread it }

# waits for `Thread#value`: so "then" is appropriate
Thread.new do do_stuff end
  .then { handle_result it.value }

async { get_result }           # returns a promise
  .then {|result| use result } # probably _also_ returns a promise
  .value                       # unwrap the promise
```

I do think there is room for a `|>` operator that is yet another version of this, with slightly different semantics from both `#yield_self` and `#then`.  But (concerning this proposal) I share @zverok's concern about creating "an invisible block like nowhere else".  We should be _very_ careful about adding unique syntax for a single operator.

----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-110084

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119529] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro).


Reflecting on the opposing points raised, I believe the pipe operator could work differently, avoiding the issue of "implicit blocks" mentioned by @zverok.

As suggested by @Eregon, translating the operator to local variables reduces the overhead associated with chaining `.then`.

What I (re)propose is to define the pipe operator as a **statement separator**, similar to `;`, where `LHS` expression is evaluated first and its result is stored in the variable `_`, which we can call as "last expression result", and then `RHS` is executed.

For instance, this:

```ruby
expr_a |> expr_b
```

Would conceptually translates to:

```ruby
expr_a => _; expr_b
```

This way, we could write:

```ruby
"https://api.github.com/repos/ruby/ruby"
  |> URI.parse(_)
  |> Net::HTTP.get(_)
  |> JSON.parse(_)
  |> _.fetch("stargazers_count")
  |> puts "Ruby has #{_} stars"
```

This approach maintains clarity, avoids the overhead of multiple `.then` calls, and introduces the `_` variable as the last expression result, similar to the "ANS" button on a calculator.

----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-110143

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119781] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro).


mame (Yusuke Endoh) wrote in https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20781#note-9 at DevMeeting:
> AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro) wrote in #note-8:
> >   * Improves readability by transforming `p(q(r))` into a more natural `r |> q |> p`, matching how we think.
> 
> Do you mean `r |> q(_) |> p(_)`?

Yes, `r |> q |> p` was just an abstract notation to explicitly show the order of method calls.

@mame I’m replying here because of the "DO NOT discuss then on this ticket, please." mention in the DevMeeting thread.

----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-110449

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119842] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[lpogic via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by lpogic (Łukasz Pomietło).


What if I need an intermediate result beyond the next step of the method chain?

Cases:
``` ruby
def foo
  r |> q(_) |> p(_)
  return q_result  # "q_result" should be the result of the second step of the chain
end
```

``` ruby
def foo
  r |> q(_) |> p(_, r_result) # "r_result" should be the result of the first step of the chain
end
```


----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-110532

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119850] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[austin (Austin Ziegler) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by austin (Austin Ziegler).


lpogic (Łukasz Pomietło) wrote in #note-36:
> What if I need an intermediate result beyond the next step of the method chain?
> 
> Cases:
> ``` ruby
> def foo
>   r |> q(_) |> p(_)
>   return q_result  # "q_result" should be the result of the second step of the chain
> end
> ```
> 
> ``` ruby
> def foo
>   r |> q(_) |> p(_, r_result) # "r_result" should be the result of the first step of the chain
> end
> ```

If you need an intermediate result for any reason, don't use a pipeline, or restructure your return values so that they are returning some sort of context object. In your examples, `#tap` and `#then` would be more useful:

```ruby
def foo
  q(r).tap { p(_1) }
end

def bar
  r
    .then { [_1, q(_1) }
    .then { |(rr, qr)| p(qr, rr) }
end

def baz
  rr = r
  p(q(rr), rr)
end
```

I use the pipe operator in Elixir extensively, but I don't think that I’ve seen a proposal that would really improve Ruby's syntax over `.then { … }` *except* the proposed `.{}` acting as syntax sugar for `.then {…}`.

----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-110541

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119851] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro).


@lpogic In these cases, you wouldn’t use pipes:

```ruby
def foo
  q_result = q(r) # because q_result is important and deserves its own variable
  
  p(r)

  q_result
end
```

The pipe operator is useful when you just need to nest method calls and aren’t interested in each individual value. Example:

```ruby
schema = JSON.parse(File.read(Rails.root.join(RELATIVE_PATH_TO_CONFIG)))

# becomes

schema = Rails.root.join(RELATIVE_PATH_TO_CONFIG) |> File.read _ |> JSON.parse _

# The same written with a .then chain

schema = Rails.root.join(RELATIVE_PATH_TO_CONFIG).then { File.read(_1) }.then { JSON.parse(_1) }
```

The point is that this shows the natural flow: "Concatenate this string, read the file with that name, and then parse the JSON."

----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-110542

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119853] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[lpogic via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by lpogic (Łukasz Pomietło).


@austin, @AlexandreMagro I understand that this is a creature from the functional world. However, I wonder whether the current proposal (statement operator) would allow for such a forms:
``` ruby
def foo
  r |> (q_result = q(_)) |> p(_)
  return q_result
end
# or
def foo
  r |> q_result = q(_) |> p(_)
  return q_result
end

def bar
  (r_result = r) |> q(_) |> p(_, r_result)
end
```


----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-110543

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119858] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[austin (Austin Ziegler) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by austin (Austin Ziegler).


lpogic (Łukasz Pomietło) wrote in #note-39:
> @austin, @AlexandreMagro I understand that this is a creature from the functional world. However, I wonder whether the current proposal (statement operator) would allow for such a forms:
> ``` ruby
> def foo
>   r |> (q_result = q(_)) |> p(_)
>   return q_result
> end
> # or
> def foo
>   r |> q_result = q(_) |> p(_)
>   return q_result
> end
> 
> def bar
>   (r_result = r) |> q(_) |> p(_, r_result)
> end
> ```

My opposition to this concept in #note-37 stands for the same reasons. This is unreadable and has indeterminate scope.

A pipeline operator is best used for passing the first parameter (like Elixir), the last parameter (some JavaScript `.pipe(…)` implementations; Go text templates), or an arbitrary parameter with an explicit marker (`it`, `_`, `_1`, etc.).

Ruby already *has*  pipeline-like method, `#then`. If `|>` or `.{}` acts as syntactic sugar for `#then`, I don't see an issue here. If, internally, it’s turned into the effective equivalent of `__pipe1 = r; __pipe2 = q(__pipe1); __pipe3 = p(__pipe2); __pipe3`, I don't see an issue here. But under no circumstances do I think that the effective temporary assignments should be exposed or made available to method calls further down the pipeline or after the pipeline is complete. That's too much magic.

----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-110548

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119859] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[baweaver (Brandon Weaver) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by baweaver (Brandon Weaver).


I'd written on the previous iteration of the pipeline operator a while ago here: https://dev.to/baweaver/ruby-2-7-the-pipeline-operator-1b2d

The ending example of what I thought, at the time, was an ideal state of it was:

```ruby
double = -> v { v * v }
increment = -> v { v + 1 }

5
|> double
|> increment
|> to_s(2)
|> reverse
|> to_i
```

...which mixed both methods and procs to effectively pretend that Ruby was a LISP-1 derivative language, if only for the sake of pipelines. I believe that given the LISP-2 nature of the language this would be confusing, and add complexity for not a lot of practical gain compared to the combination of `then` and `it`.

Frequently what folks are looking for is a nicer way to say this:

```ruby
def some_method(v) = v + 1

5.then(&method(:some_method))
```

...and there have been a few proposals in that spirit before like `.:`:

```ruby
HTTP.get(some_url).then(&JSON.:parse)
```

...which I still think is an interesting potential syntax, and when applied to some of the pipeline proposals may become something like this:

```ruby
HTTP.get(some_url)
  |> JSON.:parse
  |> filter { |k, v| v.is_a?(Integer) }
```

But again, comparatively speaking there's not a lot of overhead to `then` and `it` in those cases:

```ruby
HTTP.get(some_url)
  .then { JSON.parse(it) }
  .filter { |k, v| v.is_a?(Integer) }
```

...except to add more syntax that may be unclear for newer Ruby programmers that will be very hard to find documentation for. Even if I would very much like a shorter way to say `Object.method(:something)` I debate if it would be wise.

----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-110549

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119863] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[lpogic via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by lpogic (Łukasz Pomietło).


austin (Austin Ziegler) wrote in #note-40:
> Ruby already *has*  pipeline-like method, `#then`. If `|>` or `.{}` acts as syntactic sugar for `#then`, I don't see an issue here. If, internally, it’s turned into the effective equivalent of `__pipe1 = r; __pipe2 = q(__pipe1); __pipe3 = p(__pipe2); __pipe3`, I don't see an issue here. But under no circumstances do I think that the effective temporary assignments should be exposed or made available to method calls further down the pipeline or after the pipeline is complete. That's too much magic.

Can't the "|>" operator also be considered a cousin of "&&", which is unconditional but passes the LHS result?
``` ruby
p1 = (rr = r) |>       q( _)  |> p( _, rr)
p2 = (rr = r) && (qr = q(rr)) && p(qr, rr) 
p1 == p2 # true if r(), q(), p() never return false/nil
```





----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-110553

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119864] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[lpogic via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by lpogic (Łukasz Pomietło).


baweaver (Brandon Weaver) wrote in #note-41:
> Frequently what folks are looking for is a nicer way to say this:
> 
> ```ruby
> def some_method(v) = v + 1
> 
> 5.then(&method(:some_method))
> ```

Some proxy object and method missing mechanism may be the way. Example: https://github.com/lpogic/procify


----------------------------------------
Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-110554

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119866] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro).


lpogic (Łukasz Pomietło) wrote in #note-43:
> baweaver (Brandon Weaver) wrote in #note-41:
> > Frequently what folks are looking for is a nicer way to say this:
> > 
> > ```ruby
> > def some_method(v) = v + 1
> > 
> > 5.then(&method(:some_method))
> > ```
> 
> Some proxy object and method missing mechanism may be the way. Example: https://github.com/lpogic/procify

There’s no need for the syntax to take this route; using an explicit variable (last expression result variable "_") provides a clearer and more flexible solution. Languages that use pipes, as previously mentioned, have established standards for how parameters flow through the chain (typically as the first or last argument, depending on the language).

An explicit parameter addresses this, making the usage more intuitive and powerful.


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Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-110557

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119867] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro).


austin (Austin Ziegler) wrote in #note-40:
> Ruby already *has*  pipeline-like method, `#then`. If `|>` or `.{}` acts as syntactic sugar for `#then`, I don't see an issue here. If, internally, it’s turned into the effective equivalent of `__pipe1 = r; __pipe2 = q(__pipe1); __pipe3 = p(__pipe2); __pipe3`, I don't see an issue here. But under no circumstances do I think that the effective temporary assignments should be exposed or made available to method calls further down the pipeline or after the pipeline is complete. That's too much magic.

I agree with your point. It would indeed be “healthier” not to expose assignments made within the pipeline, as this could be handled as an exception, though I think it might depend on specific implementation details. However, it’s possible to do this with `.then`:

```ruby
def bar
  r
    .then { [_1, q(_1)] } # <= keeping q(_1) value as _1[1]   
    .then { |(rr, qr)| p(qr, rr) }
end
```

Or

```ruby
x = 5
y = nil

x.then { y = x * 100 } # Here `y` should be previously defined
  
y
# => 500
```

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Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-110558

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119893] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[lpogic via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by lpogic (Łukasz Pomietło).


I wonder if the pipeline operator with assignment wouldn't also be useful in everyday code:

``` ruby
str = "ABC"
str |>= _.reverse
str # => "CBA"

a_simple_json = '{"key":"value"}'
a_simple_json |>= JSON.parse _
a_simple_json # => {"key"=>"value"}

a = [{greeting: "Hello"}]
a[0][:greeting] |>= "#{_} World!"
a # => [{greeting: "Hello World!"}]
```


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Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-110595

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119904] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro).


lpogic (Łukasz Pomietło) wrote in #note-46:
> I wonder if the pipeline operator with assignment wouldn't also be useful in everyday code:
> 
> ``` ruby
> str = "ABC"
> str |>= _.reverse
> str # => "CBA"
> 
> a_simple_json = '{"key":"value"}'
> a_simple_json |>= JSON.parse _
> a_simple_json # => {"key"=>"value"}
> 
> a = [{greeting: "Hello"}]
> a[0][:greeting] |>= "#{_} World!"
> a # => [{greeting: "Hello World!"}]
> ```

The pipe operator is well-known, but this type of operation with assignment is something I haven’t seen before, and I’m not sure of its precedence. The examples also don’t illustrate a strong need for it.

```ruby
# 1

str = "ABC".reverse

# 2

a_simple_json = JSON.parse '{"key":"value"}'
```

In the third example, a dedicated method would be more suitable, I believe a similar proposal was made here: https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20818

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Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-110609

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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[ruby-core:119951] [Ruby master Feature#20770] A *new* pipe operator proposal

[zverok (Victor Shepelev) via ruby-core]

Issue #20770 has been updated by zverok (Victor Shepelev).


In case anybody interested, I spent some time on Staruday experimenting on an implementation of @AlexandreMagro’s idea: https://zverok.space/blog/2024-11-16-elixir-pipes.html

```ruby
require 'not_a_pipe'

extend NotAPipe

pipe def repos(username)
  username >>
    "https://api.github.com/users/#{_}/repos" >>
    URI.open >>
    _.read >>
    JSON.parse(symbolize_names: true) >>
    _.map { _1.dig(:full_name) }.first(10) >>
    pp
end
```

It is a “hack”, but hopefully an interesting one (a macro implemented via AST transformation), and maybe allows to play with different contexts and codebases to see if it fits.

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Feature #20770: A *new* pipe operator proposal
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20770#change-110674

* Author: AlexandreMagro (Alexandre Magro)
* Status: Open
----------------------------------------
Hello,

This is my first contribution here. I have seen previous discussions around introducing a pipe operator, but it seems the community didn't reach a consensus. I would like to revisit this idea with a simpler approach, more of a syntactic sugar that aligns with how other languages implement the pipe operator, but without making significant changes to Ruby's syntax.

Currently, we often write code like this:

```ruby
value = half(square(add(value, 3)))
```

We can achieve the same result using the `then` method:

```ruby
value = value.then { add(_1, 3) }.then { square(_1) }.then { half(_1) }
```

While `then` helps with readability, we can simplify it further using the proposed pipe operator:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(_1) |> half(_1)
```

Moreover, with the upcoming `it` feature in Ruby 3.4 (#18980), the code could look even cleaner:

```ruby
value = add(value, 3) |> square(it) |> half(it)
```

This proposal uses the anonymous block argument `(_1)`, and with `it`, it simplifies the code without introducing complex syntax changes. It would allow us to achieve the same results as in other languages that support pipe operators, but in a way that feels natural to Ruby, using existing constructs like `then` underneath.

I believe this operator would enhance code readability and maintainability, especially in cases where multiple operations are chained together.

Thank you for considering this proposal!






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