From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on starla X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 Received: from nue.mailmanlists.eu (nue.mailmanlists.eu [94.130.110.93]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2930B1F4C1 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2024 04:01:55 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: dcvr.yhbt.net; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ml.ruby-lang.org header.i=@ml.ruby-lang.org header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=mail header.b=Brs5UAPF; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ruby-lang.org header.i=@ruby-lang.org header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=s1 header.b=XvaQIG4z; dkim-atps=neutral DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ml.ruby-lang.org; s=mail; t=1731384113; bh=Fxec2gAah/D6DCPwf6nxcshUlvgTLcJmm6I1AMiTtqI=; h=Date:References:To:Reply-To:Subject:List-Id:List-Archive: List-Help:List-Owner:List-Post:List-Subscribe:List-Unsubscribe: From:Cc:From; b=Brs5UAPFBLFVWZR5WbN1nWuqlkjvDU0zrGLohfcLfmEP24xUNuZ/s5SdpcV/cwswD DEDCRUQ/OM8obgshRmPcoOSfFajVDEhBpvfaHeVkbmWC69XW+UmMGcioGvI254onxw kGckkIWgTV9z7DuRbs//1bnJw2wymTzXyUeXjjqw= Received: from nue.mailmanlists.eu (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by nue.mailmanlists.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7647844B59 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2024 04:01:53 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: nue.mailmanlists.eu; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ruby-lang.org header.i=@ruby-lang.org header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=s1 header.b=XvaQIG4z; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from s.wrqvtbkv.outbound-mail.sendgrid.net (s.wrqvtbkv.outbound-mail.sendgrid.net [149.72.123.24]) by nue.mailmanlists.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9ABBB44B20 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2024 04:01:42 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ruby-lang.org; h=from:references:subject:mime-version:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:list-id:to:cc:content-type:from:subject:to; s=s1; bh=rM4tURIIp9Cs6WKnRKyh1t0trJ3/lyIcNMAXNfI9TFU=; b=XvaQIG4zysbidCWhFiAX/gFDojLI4DjzdJwHzk3npJy+ia6yURqGWUp+x6Ev98EF+a5H DimUA1i/zcFYM1Sp3ulr6Sq4+Cu29SQvDVyLkauucAYZALwJnoCbibdQoN6vZ4CYwjv7di 0dzTjnE9htvXNZuPp9aIFm89H1uklDkI58k/ulrgoCTlQLKc6ZtKc6Eo6v4VGLzx+MTCiq 5m8tGb0GdJNKXVFQfTAd9Qeg0Lf4Pg2X37MHyhOh0B9fg1PWzY8OyG2j+fG6JxSizr41wd LxmCYfX1xunmqfCVoH//ErmjQIiawyC5N3XURc1IuRJBWFJFK495v829VD9vHeyg== Received: by recvd-7cc7f7d978-bdlcl with SMTP id recvd-7cc7f7d978-bdlcl-1-6732D324-13 2024-11-12 04:01:40.841852862 +0000 UTC m=+5220278.397328261 Received: from herokuapp.com (unknown) by geopod-ismtpd-9 (SG) with ESMTP id edusBhqCSmWyn2SWVh5CIg for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2024 04:01:40.813 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2024 04:01:40 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Redmine-Project: ruby-master X-Redmine-Issue-Tracker: Feature X-Redmine-Issue-Id: 20884 X-Redmine-Issue-Author: Dan0042 X-Redmine-Issue-Priority: Normal X-Redmine-Sender: ioquatix X-Mailer: Redmine X-Redmine-Host: bugs.ruby-lang.org X-Redmine-Site: Ruby Issue Tracking System X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Redmine-MailingListIntegration-Message-Ids: 96550 X-SG-EID: =?us-ascii?Q?u001=2E3QFJPY5gaRwyNXkncYONHM3OeFnb=2FgeOrLDgg3PYIKrq5rvk81iAipQ1q?= =?us-ascii?Q?cdmuT9o5PIWGjXtTDstodNmslT=2F6xfCuIofWR2K?= =?us-ascii?Q?w8msDgVaVLyPoVrlDQOc3JyaXleNW2y1H=2FJpVP4?= =?us-ascii?Q?H0j86aZTQ9w4owI38VpAcLNJwGe75aKQTIpvafq?= =?us-ascii?Q?Wf+1GYc1eJNcUeUOrrEqjhyrBC+vGveT55uVxUj?= =?us-ascii?Q?diN9B8hfVMKbJUOKutdG5Jj1PItDy6S+Wm8n18V?= =?us-ascii?Q?94i5orhsQV9FWABMxKzXRIkdgw=3D=3D?= To: ruby-core@ml.ruby-lang.org X-Entity-ID: u001.I8uzylDtAfgbeCOeLBYDww== Message-ID-Hash: G2ALR2PXOLUTNFIDLXCRNRTENCTTDYZE X-Message-ID-Hash: G2ALR2PXOLUTNFIDLXCRNRTENCTTDYZE X-MailFrom: bounces+313651-b711-ruby-core=ml.ruby-lang.org@em5188.ruby-lang.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ruby developers Subject: [ruby-core:119882] [Ruby master Feature#20884] reserve "Ruby" toplevel module for Ruby language List-Id: Ruby developers Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: "ioquatix (Samuel Williams) via ruby-core" Cc: "ioquatix (Samuel Williams)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Issue #20884 has been updated by ioquatix (Samuel Williams). +1. However, if we introduce it, can we also introduce a document to guide the evolution, e.g. naming conventions, in scope and out of scope usage, etc. I suppose I'd expect constants to be upper case still, e.g. `Ruby::VERSION`. ---------------------------------------- Feature #20884: reserve "Ruby" toplevel module for Ruby language https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/20884#change-110574 * Author: Dan0042 (Daniel DeLorme) * Status: Open ---------------------------------------- `Ruby` would be a convenient namespace for many features of the Ruby language, in particular APIs related to the interpreter. All these constants: RUBY_VERSION RUBY_RELEASE_DATE RUBY_PLATFORM RUBY_PATCHLEVEL RUBY_REVISION RUBY_COPYRIGHT RUBY_ENGINE RUBY_ENGINE_VERSION RUBY_DESCRIPTION would have made a lot of sense as `Ruby::Version` etc. `Thread::Backtrace::Location` would have made a lot of sense as `Ruby::Backtrace::Location` `RubyVM` is considered specific to CRuby; so `RubyVM::AbstractSyntaxTree` should be `Ruby::AbstractSyntaxTree` if it is meant to be present in other implementations. In #6648 there's a bit of contention over where `ruby_args` should be. `RubyVM`, `RbConfig`, `Process` have all been proposed, but `Ruby` would be an excellent choice. `Process.argv0` was added in Ruby 2.1 but the `Process` namespace is really about OS-level process control (fork, signals, euid, limits) while this argv0 is not (in `ps` it's neither value of COMMAND nor CMD) so it would have made sense as `Ruby.argv0` The "ruby" gem name is reserved, so there's no conflict. https://rubygems.org/gems/ruby All in all, "Ruby" is an appropriate namespace for many Ruby things. We don't want to break compatibility over this, but we could at least start small by reserving the namespace, and see how it grows from there. module Ruby Version = ::RUBY_VERSION end -- https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/ ______________________________________________ ruby-core mailing list -- ruby-core@ml.ruby-lang.org To unsubscribe send an email to ruby-core-leave@ml.ruby-lang.org ruby-core info -- https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/lists/ruby-core.ml.ruby-lang.org/