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From: "luke-gru (Luke Gruber) via ruby-core" <ruby-core@ml.ruby-lang.org>
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Subject: [ruby-core:120701] [Ruby master Bug#21039] Ractor.make_shareable breaks block semantics (seeing updated captured variables) of existing blocks
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 19:28:56 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <redmine.journal-111536.20250115192856.772@ruby-lang.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <redmine.issue-21039.20250115095747.772@ruby-lang.org>

Issue #21039 has been updated by luke-gru (Luke Gruber).


As far as I know this is intentional behavior, so even though I agree it is confusing I think this is more accurately a feature request instead of a bug.

----------------------------------------
Bug #21039: Ractor.make_shareable breaks block semantics (seeing updated captured variables) of existing blocks
https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/21039#change-111536

* Author: Eregon (Benoit Daloze)
* Status: Open
* Assignee: ko1 (Koichi Sasada)
* ruby -v: ruby 3.4.1 (2024-12-25 revision 48d4efcb85) +PRISM [x86_64-linux]
* Backport: 3.1: UNKNOWN, 3.2: UNKNOWN, 3.3: UNKNOWN, 3.4: UNKNOWN
----------------------------------------
```ruby
def make_counter
  count = 0
  nil.instance_exec do
    [-> { count }, -> { count += 1 }]
  end
end

get, increment = make_counter

reader = Thread.new {
  sleep 0.01
  loop do
    p get.call
    sleep 0.1
  end
}

writer = Thread.new {
  loop do
    increment.call
    sleep 0.1
  end
}

ractor_thread = Thread.new {
  sleep 1
  Ractor.make_shareable(get)
}

sleep 2
```

This prints:
```
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
10
```
But it should print 1..20, and indeed it does when commenting out the `Ractor.make_shareable(get)`.

This shows a given block/Proc instance is concurrently broken by `Ractor.make_shareable`, IOW Ractor is breaking fundamental Ruby semantics of blocks and their captured/outer variables or "environment".

It's expected that `Ractor.make_shareable` can `freeze` objects and that may cause some FrozenError, but here it's not a FrozenError, it's wrong/stale values being read.

I think what should happen instead is that `Ractor.make_shareable` should create a new Proc and mutate that.
However, if the Proc is inside some other object and not just directly the argument, that wouldn't work (like `Ractor.make_shareable([get])`).

So I think one fix would to be to only accept Procs for `Ractor.make_shareable(obj, copy: true)`.
FWIW that currently doesn't allow Procs, it gives `<internal:ractor>:828:in 'Ractor.make_shareable': allocator undefined for Proc (TypeError)`.
It makes sense to use `copy` here since `make_shareable` effectively takes a copy/snapshot of the Proc's environment.

I think the only other way, and I think it would be a far better way would be to not support making Procs shareable with `Ractor.make_shareable`.
Instead it could be some new method like `isolated { ... }` or `Proc.isolated { ... }` or `Proc.snapshot_outer_variables { ... }` or so, only accepting a literal block (to avoid mutating/breaking an existing block), and that would snapshot outer variables (or require no outer variables like Ractor.new's block, or maybe even do `Ractor.make_shareable(copy: true)` on outer variables) and possibly also set `self` since that's anyway needed.
That would make such blocks with different semantics explicit, which would fix the problem of breaking the intention of who wrote that block and whoever read that code, expecting normal Ruby block semantics, which includes seeing updated outer variables.
Related: #21033 https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/18243#note-5

Extracted from https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/21033#note-14



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  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-15 19:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-15  9:57 [ruby-core:120694] " Eregon (Benoit Daloze) via ruby-core
2025-01-15 19:28 ` luke-gru (Luke Gruber) via ruby-core [this message]
2025-01-16 15:56 ` [ruby-core:120717] " Eregon (Benoit Daloze) via ruby-core
2025-01-16 21:17 ` [ruby-core:120720] " luke-gru (Luke Gruber) via ruby-core
2025-01-19 23:18 ` [ruby-core:120740] [Ruby master Feature#21039] " matz (Yukihiro Matsumoto) via ruby-core

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