From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from minster.york.ac.uk ([144.32.128.41]) by hawkwind.utcs.utoronto.ca with SMTP id <24131>; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 06:24:37 -0500 From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 06:11:58 -0500 Message-ID: To: plan9-fans@cse.psu.edu, sam-fans@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu, schwartz@galapagos.cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: acme for X? Scott says: >Anyone who is interested in acme should take a look at Oberon, the >system that inspired it. Wirth has written a book and a number of >papers about it. You can ftp it from neptune.inf.ethz.ch; they have >binaries for sparc and some other systems. I'd agree with this -- Oberon is an interesting and very slick system which is well worth investigating -- anything that manages to pack a GUI, word processor, compiler, drawing program, mail tool, paint program, terminal emulator and so on into a few meg is _very_ impressive.. >Anyway, the system is amazingly efficient and elegant. Everyone I've >shown it to has said "Wow.", so go check it out while we're waiting >for the next Plan 9 cd to arrive. Yes, Oberon is elegant, but not in the same way that Help and Acme are -- it's hard to create ``ad hoc'' tools in Oberon without a fair bit of programming... It's a nice environment for building and documenting Oberon programs but I wouldn't want to spend all day in it! pete -- Peter Fenelon - Research Associate - High Integrity Systems Engineering Group, Dept. of Computer Science, University of York, York, Y01 5DD +44 (0)904 433388 EMAIL: pete@minster.york.ac.uk `There's no room for enigmas in built-up areas'