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From: Jeff <sysinit@yandex.com>
To: supervision <supervision@list.skarnet.org>
Subject: Re: runit SIGPWR support
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 16:13:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <18110531581952419@sas8-7ec005b03c91.qloud-c.yandex.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cf562a5e-3431-a95c-62ec-0638cba81950@gmx.com>

17.02.2020, 11:00, "innerspacepilot" <innerspacepilot@gmx.com>:
> Just as a thought: You have implemented signal diversion, but limited to
> known signals. Why not just pass unknown signals as numbers or something
> like (S6SIG55011), so they can be diverted by user? You wouldn't have to
> catalogue them.

absolutely right, totally agreed.
i also wondered why he refuses to add this.
just catch and handle ALL possible signals, including the RT signals
and leave it to the user how to react.

> We need good, flexible and user-friendly init alternatives for linux.

right.

>>  But even if your containers were using s6, which has a well-defined
>>  upstream (me) and which does not understand SIGPWR either, I would not
>>  apply your patch suggestion. Why? Because SIGPWR is not standardized,
>>  and s6 aims to be portable, it works ootb on other systems than Linux
>>  and making it use SIGPWR would endanger that. It's the exact kind of
>>  problems you haven't thought of but run into when you want to patch
>>  software, and makes patching always more complex than it seems from the
>>  outside.

sorry Laurent, this is absolutely ridicolous.

we are talking about using s6 as Linux process #1, so
it should catch, handle and react to all possible signals the
kernel may send to said process, there might be a good reason
for it, same for any other possible platform, be it BSD or SysV unices.

this is inherently unportable per se. there exists no POSIX standard
describing the signals a kernel may send to notify process #1 about
certain events.



  reply	other threads:[~2020-02-17 15:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1beb6e35-d4be-60b8-fc52-af666c4fffe3@gmx.com>
2020-02-12 14:25 ` innerspacepilot
2020-02-12 21:54   ` Colin Booth
2020-02-12 22:16     ` Dewayne Geraghty
2020-02-14  9:38     ` Jeff
2020-02-14 12:38       ` Steve Litt
2020-02-15 10:47       ` fungal-net
2020-02-14 10:08     ` Jeff
2020-02-14 10:46     ` Jeff
2020-02-14 12:29       ` innerspacepilot
2020-02-14 12:45         ` Steve Litt
     [not found]           ` <CALZWFRLvtofWfP4kzxJ8_8_K3nzebPjCR-NsJ2MU22cSuaOLng@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]             ` <20200214182241.15614126@mydesk.domain.cxm>
2020-02-17 19:46               ` Cameron Nemo
2020-02-23 16:11                 ` Jeff
2020-02-17 14:39         ` Jeff
2020-02-14 14:02       ` Casper Ti. Vector
2020-02-17 14:45     ` Jeff
2020-02-17 14:50       ` Jeff
2020-02-14 13:15   ` Casper Ti. Vector
2020-02-14 13:39     ` innerspacepilot
2020-02-14 13:57       ` Casper Ti. Vector
2020-02-14 14:06         ` innerspacepilot
2020-02-14 14:25           ` Casper Ti. Vector
2020-02-14 18:30       ` Laurent Bercot
2020-02-17 10:00         ` innerspacepilot
2020-02-17 15:13           ` Jeff [this message]
2020-02-18  9:39             ` Laurent Bercot
2020-02-20 20:39               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2020-02-23 16:51               ` Jeff
2020-02-23 23:53                 ` Laurent Bercot
2020-02-24  6:31                   ` innerspacepilot
2020-02-24 10:23                     ` Laurent Bercot
2020-02-24 13:00                       ` Jeff
2020-02-24 19:53                         ` Laurent Bercot
2020-02-24 13:12                       ` innerspacepilot
2020-02-24 15:26                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2020-02-26  8:07                           ` innerspacepilot
2020-02-28  6:39                             ` Jan Braun
2020-02-28  9:45                               ` Alex Suykov
2020-02-28 23:50                                 ` fungal-net
2020-02-29 13:44                                 ` Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
2020-02-29 18:20                             ` Guillermo
2020-03-06 20:07                               ` innerspacepilot
2020-03-06 20:09                               ` innerspacepilot
2020-02-25  8:39                       ` Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
2020-02-24 21:13                   ` Guillermo
2020-02-24 22:25                     ` Laurent Bercot
2020-02-24 22:49                       ` Laurent Bercot
2020-02-24 23:08                         ` Guillermo
2020-02-25  1:48                           ` Laurent Bercot
2020-02-25  9:08                             ` Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
2020-02-25 18:38                               ` Guillermo
2020-03-16 12:49                               ` Jeff
2020-03-16 17:13                               ` Jeff
2020-02-24 23:03                       ` Guillermo
2020-03-16 12:31                       ` Jeff
2020-03-16 18:03                         ` Laurent Bercot
2020-02-23 17:31               ` Jeff
2020-02-24  0:33                 ` Laurent Bercot
2020-02-14 19:08   ` John W Higgins
2020-02-14 23:18     ` Laurent Bercot
2020-02-14 23:38       ` John W Higgins
2020-02-15  2:15         ` Laurent Bercot
2020-04-14 16:57 Maxim Vetsalo
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2020-01-23 20:44 innerspacepilot
2020-01-31  4:39 ` Colin Booth

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