From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.sysutils.supervision.general/1142 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Roy Lanek Newsgroups: gmane.comp.sysutils.supervision.general Subject: Re: runit integration Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 12:04:50 +0700 Message-ID: <20060531050450.GA26140@kayumanis> References: <20060530234036.GD5387@home.power> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1149052084 7945 80.91.229.2 (31 May 2006 05:08:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 05:08:04 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: supervision-return-1378-gcsg-supervision=m.gmane.org@list.skarnet.org Wed May 31 07:08:01 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcsg-supervision@gmane.org Original-Received: from antah.skarnet.org ([212.85.147.14]) by ciao.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FlIw3-0002SJ-9y for gcsg-supervision@gmane.org; Wed, 31 May 2006 07:07:59 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 11786 invoked by uid 76); 31 May 2006 05:08:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact supervision-help@list.skarnet.org; run by ezmlm List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: Original-Received: (qmail 11780 invoked from network); 31 May 2006 05:08:20 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: lanek@novenine.com via mail.httpdnet.com X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.25 (Clear:RC:1(61.94.234.169):. Processed in 0.777837 secs) Original-To: supervision Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060530234036.GD5387@home.power> Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.sysutils.supervision.general:1142 Archived-At: > > I think that runit should provide some compatibility > > mechanism with the existing rc runlevels and > > /etc/init.d/ scripts. Maintainers carefully polished > > those scripts, [...] > > I don't think it's possible and good idea. Main reason > to use daemontools/runit - get as secure and as reliable > solution as possible. It's nearly impossible to write > complex software which will be secure and reliable... > and because of this daemontools and runit prefer most > simplest and straight solutions. Your idea will add > additional level of complexity and thus result in less > security and realiability. > Plus, *reality check* [1] if you don't agree, please: 2.5 STARTUP SCRIPTS ... Red Hat startup scripts Startup scripts are one of things that distinguish Linux distributions from each other. Red Hat's are a complicated mess; they contain many comments such as # stupid hack, but it should work and # this is broken! ... SUSE startup scripts Startup scripts are one area in which SUSE really outshines the other Linux variants [2]. SUSE's startup scripts are well organized, robust, and well documented. ... Debian startup scripts If SUSE is the ultimate example of a well-designed, well-executed plan for the management of startup scripts, Debian is the exact opposite. The Debian scripts are fragile, undocumented, and unbelievably inconsistent. ... [1] Evi Nemeth, Garth Snyder, and Trent R. Hein, Linux Administration Handbook, Prentice Hall [these fellows are authorities on the domain: UNIX sysadmin] [2] The Linux Administration Handbook covers three Linux distributions in detail: Red Hat 7.2, SUSE 7.3, Debian 3.0. Moreover, I wonder how much the *famous trick* of the how-to-boil-a-Bullfrog recipe [slowly increase the temperature of the water] has played above ... there where Evi et al. write of the--yup--"ultimate example of a well-designed, well-executed plan for the management of startup scripts." Cheers, /Roy Lanek -- ######################## bagai air di daun talas ##### . slackware ###### as if water on a leaf of talas ##### +-----linux ###### [two things that never get along ... talas has a ######################## thin waxy layer and therefore is waterproof]