From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.sysutils.supervision.general/2596 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Steve Litt Newsgroups: gmane.comp.sysutils.supervision.general Subject: Re: interesting claims Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 21:07:17 -0400 Message-ID: <20190515210717.27b002ba@mydesk.domain.cxm> References: <11997211556565598@myt6-27270b78ac4f.qloud-c.yandex.net> <20190501033355.6e41e707@mydesk.domain.cxm> <20190515132206.03f9736e@mydesk.domain.cxm> <20190516012214.15ffcf2e@dickeberta> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="125385"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" To: supervision@list.skarnet.org Original-X-From: supervision-return-2186-gcsg-supervision=m.gmane.org@list.skarnet.org Thu May 16 03:07:23 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcsg-supervision@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from alyss.skarnet.org ([95.142.172.232]) by blaine.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hR4rh-000WTV-QB for gcsg-supervision@m.gmane.org; Thu, 16 May 2019 03:07:22 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 15730 invoked by uid 89); 16 May 2019 01:07:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact supervision-help@list.skarnet.org; run by ezmlm Original-Sender: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Original-Received: (qmail 15723 invoked from network); 16 May 2019 01:07:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; h=X-Originating-IP:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; s=default; d=troubleshooters.com; b=DjO4CyiBBUCKulno71eMs4JjA2zJm14mnUlTQuzQA6DkjujuGLGtN7yp39XOCkHvVRDjsWxoEbsJKWvu5Irl2oTxfL8YkZHMVFA9kzd5cqMYTVUFEBNUc84rRC4HSzwno8DNVg6z37Tx7bDqtJuX3z5r/fYl+vGuBQyP/5ZoFDI=; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/simple; d=troubleshooters.com; s=default; t=1557968837; bh=mf0BpwNnTo4DUMmve9+6H6zdhIQ=; l=1910; h=X-Originating-IP:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:X-Mailer:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=C6rbgUfbLhzNDieSdUC0BamUKmLdVfmxN06WZ7WnwWafshrUxR4imXD/PMi9swtCs FAhuE4dhLRVhGP3ROte4/JO/etxqwFDSSCt2VYyzz9PZWUfgFOPVzooIg0Fl6ZSMVX pJtCF4J04fTZ2M2GWqils7m8FRhaPqQqzkW80il8= X-Originating-IP: [72.188.224.222] In-Reply-To: <20190516012214.15ffcf2e@dickeberta> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.3 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.sysutils.supervision.general:2596 Archived-At: On Thu, 16 May 2019 01:22:14 +0200 Oliver Schad wrote: > On Wed, 15 May 2019 13:22:48 -0400 > Steve Litt wrote: > > > The preceding's true for you, but not for everyone. Some > > people, like myself, are perfectly happy with a 95% reliable > > system. I reboot once every 2 to 4 weeks to get rid of accumulated > > state, or as a troubleshooting diagnostic test. I don't think I'm > > alone. Some people need 100% reliable, some don't. > > That is a strange point of view: Not strange at all. In a tradeoff between reliability and simplicity, some people will sacrifice some off the former to get some of the latter. > there might be people who doesn't > need computers at all. So we shouldn't program anything? The preceding analogy makes no sense in the current context. > So if there > are people outside who needs a higher quality and Laurant wants to > target them, then he needs to deliver that and it makes sense for Laurant to program to their higher standards because that's what he wants to do. It would also make sense for somebody to make something simpler, but with lower reliability. > argument with that requirement. I don't understand the preceding phrase in the current context. There's a tradeoff between the product A, which has the utmost in reliability and a fairly simple architecture, and product B, which is fairly reliable and has the utmost in simplicity. In contrast to A and B, there's product C whose reliability is between A and B, but which is much less simple than A and B. Then there's productD, which is unreliable and whose architecture is an unholy mess. When viewed over the entire spectrum, the differences in A and B could reasonably be termed a "family quarrel". Absent from the entire discussion are people who don't need A, B, C or D. SteveT