From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.sysutils.supervision.general/2715 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jan Braun Newsgroups: gmane.comp.sysutils.supervision.general Subject: Re: runit patches to fix compiler warnings on RHEL 7 Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 15:09:01 +0100 Message-ID: <20191129140901.klifpegc74iv4zul@klumpi.ignorelist.com> References: <20191125214342.y7lx5mixrljr6s27@gromit.local> <20191127203307.ohaameqfgncm52h5@gromit.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="eulwzi3tnoanu3vd" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="169995"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: supervision@list.skarnet.org To: Laurent Bercot Original-X-From: supervision-return-2304-gcsg-supervision=m.gmane.org@list.skarnet.org Fri Nov 29 15:09:07 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcsg-supervision@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from alyss.skarnet.org ([95.142.172.232]) by blaine.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iagxH-000i64-Bm for gcsg-supervision@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Nov 2019 15:09:07 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 21490 invoked by uid 89); 29 Nov 2019 14:09:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact supervision-help@list.skarnet.org; run by ezmlm Original-Sender: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Original-Received: (qmail 21478 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2019 14:09:30 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1575036542; bh=7MZ4FQLv50uCmvcaPFwyTssA4bu6jXh4MySEATwM8no=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=epEYUE/LCGpsb9VZejodI6LLu+2aIdXGLFQKJTPM4tX5tR9m//zMu7qSUWosZekMn cI2yZj1AHXcntGo5rCdxiy/TwruwP3izeiIR2iF+w9+rTaI+cAGqaacoxROmkF8jX/ xrpXLEipo+tZWZY+wdk2ZvXetvMeENQk1+0u/Wzk= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Mail-Followup-To: Laurent Bercot , supervision@list.skarnet.org X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1736 D50F 170B 70A6 9223 BC15 295E 703E 6D1D 2FCF X-GPG-Encryption-Welcome: always Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:VfmzZRAK0PKYMAkdksYzHRV24xyoGDbLczL3vu7IzxbVcATwoG4 Wa5vpR18sVyOvA04uHSfztlf7yhz0mrgnRJaabLpZ+5eELQvjwCMgDWtuNgxO7YJulksfOk Xo1QNp/t0jlvK7pystM+c8Y8D3sz5IDLCcgT9YCLzgf31Yt7YvPvvL+nSUtZxNbmaYjCaCZ 7OsivT57c/jWVxX/PygCA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:nvVWbaQLPmw=:qmGFyWR2t1AYIRT4rQgZ2U oLU5ypVCcPCMuWPm3ZPmsreVX+e7bAW5YyyUd52eqz5D6ri8hvft+hmu8HqavA34QLS90XLqW D3Tbm35fJI0We6Kd1t9s0hXRz+gtROKCwbceVK/n0fUsP7j1Na7f5cDW05YLJCinabtNI2L2v T1VmPJpqv5w/cSnmLOyxRABlTSv4RKzxGJXiDsftaC3DjGfjom9C2nsSgXdrZMlUSLv3wHurI dZ9ZPh7BtZCoBgtP4uSbL1f52qaLXA2JwP0RT5kp2VTvF5vfZHOfjWFv2CyAhdlmsPkQtbhmb oHVp9UvDsYd+7Q9ntFHkDb6GMLTs4OVtw7zNwXk2iTDtMEKUr2HaQeVaX+lJzJFrYovM5bzTF Uz2xD4UcnLkhM41lJ678+51TrxArdfDPwCVUNws9n1R9dcV6o/uLepZT3VjeTdKIQrtOcAWuZ XvFz/fcnus3L1fDv3gA4Drp1htfgZlHSj9LlYTx4ybJ4jtH16gOfKSiFhB4+NEGncFsxvsL3u JA+DdAPduUSID20tZUfONSAwKqcb+ZE3GYz46qyRnuKEdK6BjbZX5EcyywP1G4R8thpbyteV6 o5qt+U9JDiDN0ZmZXi/1Z/ccfLG+fiI4Pi0dfXIKL8tbZklgDpTBojMRC8gVqFQx5qF/o7XAe +7iIFKawOCZoGK2u5ADyZa/0xlGOEjHVzg9CwqUbAiloeTphu4pCM5ScFUDODZbtHRJaA2OHb fL60qodoxYz1m7ZpxWyfx9j7H4q7PwDlqVnBZAs31DOryKz7qSxS2fPLy3yU8VJfRoZ2p3xy Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.sysutils.supervision.general:2715 Archived-At: --eulwzi3tnoanu3vd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Laurent Bercot schrob: > - My opinion is that the most sustainable path forward, for runit > users who need a centrally maintained supervision software suite, is to > just switch to s6 - and it comes with several other benefits as well. As a relatively new convert to supervision software, my reasons for preferring runit over s6 are, in order of priority: 1) Debian ships with a working and maintained runit-init package. It provides pid 1 and hooks into /etc/rcS.d/* to integrate with other Debian packages. s6-linux-init and s6-rc are not packaged in Debian. 2) runit has manpages. s6 has HTML. :( 3) s6 executables are somehow worse named than runit's. This may be highly subjective, but I can recall and recognize the runit commands far easier than the s6 ones. Possibly it's the "s6-" prefix getting in the way of my brain pattern matching on visual appearance of glyph sequences. This point is exacerbated by #2 and the number of s6 executables. Compare chpst with s6-envdir s6-envuidgid s6-fghack s6-setsid s6-setuidgid s6-applyuidgid s6-softlimit. Yes, I know about the historical reasons, but still. 4) s6 seems more complex (hello execline!), and I don't (yet?) see any benefit/feature I'd appreciate except minimizing wakeups. OTOH, an active and responsive upstream is obviously a big plus for s6. > - But again, I'm not impartial, and alternatives are a good thing. > So no matter what individual decisions are made, it would definitely be > a net positive if the exact state and workflow of runit could be > clarified, and if a real development/maintenance structure was in place. Agreed. Brainstorming possible ways forward: A) Gerrit Pape becomes more active in maintianing runit, at least acknowledging patches posted here. B) Somebody else steps in as (co-)maintainer. C) We get a dumping ground (wiki or somesuch) for patches to allow - contributors to publish their patches (after discussing them here) - users to easily find and download patches they'd be interested in - Gerrit Pape to review and apply patches at his leisure when he feels like making a new release. D) The maintainers of distros shipping runit work out a patch-sharing scheme among them. Just my 0.02=E2=82=AC, I hope it helps. cheers, Jan --eulwzi3tnoanu3vd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEFzbVDxcLcKaSI7wVKV5wPm0dL88FAl3hJnYACgkQKV5wPm0d L89sFA//dnWNlb3Gs3iqudJodtW6AO1zG5KhJhdRon/1YqsN1JA4/o154/L/uv6+ xHOiOkEwxBRKtPinhQGcW5uu6o3q6ZY9MB4Re3tLsOicfpA3LQRU5XEudasE8wBn lHWGAynA596Y4EfElwl1p9YTS9KOlBbmOOG/o7zPL0t8fFp5sv6aeKzWHvTXntFk UjVuQq3ADYl9paLq+NTTQjjeAIeaBaGRDH92PbD3OCqr6gnW24gJHyZ9yNVbXjsS wdkcWSaOp9fcUcZdwHYuuJVT/bgMNfKStvO25sKnxr6kPcMu5garT1Th1vfMyxuL eQgqVi/j0aRDk0kXpOU1odqxNEU5w6WVpUNYqBZWmexUsB4+jP1RyR4tRmkHPSC1 wrkSGzJ02yx2I7ToWSUF9cQIVWyka0jynHESEL2yFETlMjLolaBAfAlgCNfNrcoc Zg7ANLAWEZZlEhL1yhm6i74oGMPC8wsJtWH7+bd1tjFDwkVJvSasFIAJGo93xIft FbvEDLwRLjYCOiRDPPZL4lHE6Gaqyc3PtURORVoNSiOl6c0Z/eG2Q72MzconiGuz WW9Jcj+hsa9VRFCdYQImDErJUr8FjLPWeK1fDa15cJqgRbOmaM6tI6My9EZuPErv w4fxv5x2Zx1MnOwBL1JkJf5DT0HVFIo1HBpf3K59TXmyoYbCdgQ= =QRJI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --eulwzi3tnoanu3vd--