From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 29311 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2020 11:01:14 -0000 Received: from alyss.skarnet.org (95.142.172.232) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 4 Nov 2020 11:01:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 22294 invoked by uid 89); 4 Nov 2020 11:01:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact supervision-help@list.skarnet.org; run by ezmlm Sender: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Received: (qmail 22287 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2020 11:01:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2020 12:01:11 +0100 From: Oliver Schad To: supervision@list.skarnet.org Subject: s6 in production on Ubuntu - yeah! Message-ID: <20201104120111.7d950a36@flunder> Organization: Automatic Server AG X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.13.2 (GTK+ 2.24.30; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Sig_/u8+30d1CYDSDKF./uiGQOtH"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" --Sig_/u8+30d1CYDSDKF./uiGQOtH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody, we're proud to announce, that we have s6 in production in context of platform as a service for our customers. We started with the rollout on our container hypervisors and will extend that to all of our LXC containers. We use Ubuntu 16 for now and will migrate that to Ubuntu 20. The reasons we use that distro is, are some: - good package support from community - canonical maintains LXC/LXD - co-maintainers of ZFS So these are important reasons for us to stay on Ubuntu. Thanks Laurent for supporting us to develop the integration of s6 in ubuntu 16 and 20. We can definitly recommend to engage Laurent for integration questions. The reasons to migrate away from systemd are well known but to recap that in short: - buggy - bad support from development team (go-away mentality) - over complex in every dimension - really limited cause of DSL/config approach and really big config language at the same time - more than 200 config statements - have fun to know them all - tries to enforce itself everywhere as dependency - linux only - tightly bundled to kernel interfaces, which might be dangerous in container business (container's systemd might depend on specific kernel interfaces of the host) - cgroup massacre (mi-mi-mi that is my cgroup and nobody else is allowed to use it) And I guess some more. The pain we had with systemd, journald and so on was too much. Best Regards Oli --=20 Automatic-Server AG =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 Oliver Schad Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer Turnerstrasse 2 9000 St. Gallen | Schweiz www.automatic-server.com | oliver.schad@automatic-server.com Tel: +41 71 511 31 11 | Mobile: +41 76 330 03 47 --Sig_/u8+30d1CYDSDKF./uiGQOtH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAl+iifcACgkQRilxUUuWlvCfDgCfR/Xgaj15ZkRSflT01Vc2uqXt oNAAnjMPVFJCd/NTPAPKHCVhd+taD++F =mk+N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/u8+30d1CYDSDKF./uiGQOtH--