From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.sysutils.supervision.general/2850 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: fungal-net Newsgroups: gmane.comp.sysutils.supervision.general Subject: Re: State of skarnet.org projects Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2020 23:22:12 +0200 Organization: Obarun.Org Message-ID: <34b1b27d-2107-8b0b-3ed7-873431a88e55@obarun.org> References: <1760736f-f479-4fc3-256d-a4cad4d5772f@obarun.org> <20200202090725.5a7d837c@mydesk.domain.cxm> <20200203114134.2cab3757@mydesk.domain.cxm> Reply-To: fungalnet@obarun.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="7553"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: supervision@list.skarnet.org Original-X-From: supervision-return-2439-gcsg-supervision=m.gmane-mx.org@list.skarnet.org Mon Feb 03 22:22:21 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcsg-supervision@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from alyss.skarnet.org ([95.142.172.232]) by ciao.gmane.io with smtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iyjAi-0001mu-DB for gcsg-supervision@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 03 Feb 2020 22:22:20 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 27332 invoked by uid 89); 3 Feb 2020 21:22:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact supervision-help@list.skarnet.org; run by ezmlm Original-Sender: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Original-Received: (qmail 27325 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2020 21:22:44 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=obarun.org; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Reply-To:Sender:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=BF8Wf+vxSsltwqjGhTf64DWvbf8roIYB3pzbN6nMvY0=; b=EIpgvzb7gkTcD0925+8Vx0UA7M VdYqMjHBMX9OvWMyVcI41eVaPMq9AL79OJVZEWuq3qKAQ6Qyq+vFpSj0TF5By8NtS6y4VU7awVQ3h zOVS99G0rN64Jm7rbkafPhmkOc1Cd02/qHuqa+UtoWDRsiB5xaKa/KRJnu4vtnSnsxTbdTml9GOYV GzqJGnMlGIiA9Wn4fXFic9nwgDWLD8OkVWTjOxFLbjk73ZE0mSTvgEvnAkshPBxkv8zboo5EDsBrs 9DFDaWKb1HK3rkot7LCRb4sprxn7GS3hil6iqMazl03WoC5I2szLfUPN0TN3inqSZr+fdWzEZ65CZ 8AdK9pmg==; In-Reply-To: <20200203114134.2cab3757@mydesk.domain.cxm> Content-Language: en-US X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sv26.byethost26.org X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - list.skarnet.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - obarun.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sv26.byethost26.org: authenticated_id: fungalnet@obarun.org X-Authenticated-Sender: sv26.byethost26.org: fungalnet@obarun.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.comp.sysutils.supervision.general:2850 Archived-At: Steve Litt: > On Mon, 3 Feb 2020 11:40:07 +0200 > fungal-net wrote: > >> Steve Litt: >>> On Sun, 2 Feb 2020 12:34:05 +0200 >>> fungal-net wrote: >>> >>>> Void is also >>>> very close, I for one use it with s6 and 66 for a while now and in >>>> many ways being more carefree than obarun having fast balls thrown >>>> by arch daily. >>> >>> Have you, or are you going to, write documentation on how to install >>> and maintain s6 (and presumably s6-rc) on Void? Are you using Void's >>> s6* packages, or do you compile the stuff yourself? If you install >>> Void's s6* packages, does that remove runit? I'd like to have both, >>> to a/b them against each other and to more quickly learn s6*. >> >> All s6 related packages are available on the repository (I believe all >> current). I think this work begun and was carried out by Duncaen (a >> void main member) and he didn't give up, he just realized I think that >> it would take fundamental void changes to incorporate it as an >> official alternative. >> Mobinmob stepped in and brought 66 and libs into void and is >> maintaining them (currently 1 version behind obarun). The official >> documentation for 66 is https://web.obarun.org/software as well as >> https://wiki.obarun.org/ and due to cross-distribution rules and >> requests Eric caved into the pressure and provides both html and man >> pages in the 66 pkg and tools. >> What is missing from void are the ready made service files that are >> available to copy/paste from https://framagit.org/pkg/observice >> and place them into /usr/share/66/service (instead of obarun's >> /usr/lib/66/service). The most important is the boot bundle enabled >> in the boot tree. >> https://web.obarun.org/software/66/frontend.html --> Prototype >> template of a service file. Use only the fields that pertain to your >> service > > If I read between the lines, it sounds like you're saying the > best way to learn s6 is to install and run Obarun. I have a spare > machine on which I could do that. No, I didn't mean to convey such message, it is best to try both s6 and 66 in the distro you are most familiar with. Here is an example of trying it on antiX http://sysdfree.wordpress.com/291 As I see mobinmob's response, he is being modest and very reserved. Void works great with s6/66. On my experience only ntpd service needed a small alteration to work out of the box from obarun to void due to the ntp/openntp difference. Running resources on the same installation were nearly identical. I can't justify and quantify it but it feels the system became more responsive (quicker). > Do you think the best and easiest way of learning s6 and the best way > to use s6 is to install Obarun? If you can clone your void installation on the same system, different partition and boot it, do the switch there so you have a better base to compare with. If you make the transformation through chroot you will not have to worry about poweroff/reboot failing, or save runit's reboot temporarily for that one time. Pay attention to how void splits some packages into elements so there may be pkg-n and pkg-n-dev that makes the whole. This applies to both s6 and 66. Feel free to send me any questions on the test. > Thanks, > SteveT > > Steve Litt > February 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times > http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive