From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 8405 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2022 07:21:38 -0000 Received: from alyss.skarnet.org (95.142.172.232) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 1 Aug 2022 07:21:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 10067 invoked by uid 89); 1 Aug 2022 07:22:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact supervision-help@list.skarnet.org; run by ezmlm Sender: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Received: (qmail 10060 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2022 07:21:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; h=X-Originating-IP:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Cc:Date:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:User-Agent:MIME-Version; s=default; d=troubleshooters.com; b=UVTwmX2MT2vmPD3Z4hrFSGS6eRNES59mETcJVp2wGNrztRBvP4ubA9ySfN+xYttNDmSCpMs5xbRSDeUd87Z3zXz0AJuV6ig3MEl+OflJKse38Rlktvrt3BBZNa7zHjmOhDVlkAanrG8HtzqaQXUFaferRpRLJ7ZfivE+NME+MXw=; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/simple; d=troubleshooters.com; s=default; t=1659338488; bh=eEGvwiNCeYjRvadczJJ3OHO0eA4=; l=1206; h=X-Originating-IP:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Cc:Date:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:User-Agent:MIME-Version; b=NWM8ePtLB0rqCSnjU4fLfm4uzMr8auLYd6YNj8nZJv4tzRdcs6729A63UuUlKrIqY L5Ffj7zIkI2VNPuUbHNRpn20I6qDrqwQRwmjnaaE2fIf05m/6yNgzhTt1gkSOI2R7o ldI+hO3gMqnyXSIq36o02mict7JTV6ZLf125WjRw= X-Originating-IP: [184.90.131.91] Message-ID: <4234078aeca178d4b1b5136a9463617d97cef66b.camel@troubleshooters.com> Subject: Be prepared for the fall of systemd From: Steve Litt To: dng@lists.dyne.org Cc: supervision@list.skarnet.org Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2022 03:21:28 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.44.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Hi all, As I said in a previous message, I see sentiment very slowly turning agains= t systemd. If systemd keeps losing popularity, I have no doubt the corporate carpetbaggers will try to force an even worse atrocity on us, so we need to= be ready this time and not have the argument centered on a false choice. I see two init systems ready to take the baton and run with it: * Runit * S6 Runit is the simplest init system other than /bin/bash or an rc script. It'= s maintained by the Void Linux project, so hit hard at the FUDdists who claim= runit is unmaintained. S6 is advancing full speed to a complete solution, implementing all the bes= t features of systemd, but these features are voluntary and separable. If you= want top quality, choice and performance, and are willing to accept a little more co= mplexity (but sane complexity), S6 plus its service manager is the way to go. In my = opinion, S6 plus its service manager offers more than OpenRC, and IMHO it's easier t= o configure/manage. If and when systemd falls, we need to be ready, so we can get the right ini= t system, instead yet another corporate sponsored Rube Goldberg Machine. SteveT