Re: Debian/Ubuntu apt package instead of tar.gz?

[Lloyd Zusman <ljz@asfast.com>]

Gerrit Pape <pape@smarden.org> writes:

> On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 05:24:09PM -0500, Lloyd Zusman wrote:
>> Gerrit Pape <pape@smarden.org> writes:
>>
>> [ ... ]
>>
>> Yep, I know about runit-run, but "apt-cache show runit" doesn't state
>> whether or not runit installs itself into inittab.  Could that perhaps
>> be briefly mentioned in a future release of those docs?
>
> This currently is documented in /usr/share/doc/runit/README.Debian, but
> I can add it to the package description also.

But don't I have to install runit through the dpkg system before I can
read this README.Debian file?  I'd like to know whether runit installs
itself into inittab _before_ installing, so I can take care of any
preparations beforehand (recall that I already have the .tar.gz version
installed, and I need to know how much of that to back out before
installing the dpkg version).  Or am I missing something about dpkg?


>> Actually, this brings up a related question.  Assuming for the moment
>> that Ubuntu functions the same as Debian, how many of the seven steps
>> [ ... ] will be automatically
>> performed on a well-configured Debian/Ubuntu during an "apt-get install
>> runit-run"?
>
> See /usr/share/doc/runit-run/README.Debian, it does all but the
> service migration, and the final reboot.

Same comment as above: I don't want to read this _after_ I install
runit-run ... I'd like to know how the install will affect my existing
sysvinit daemons before I decide to issue an "apt-get install" for it.


>> [ ... ]
>
> Debian services that are integrated into sysvinit are disabled by
> default, and need to be converted manually if they should run by
> default; the runit-run package enables a getty service, and additionally
> takes care that the packages' init scripts aren't run automatically on
> package installation/upgrade/remove through the policy-rc.d interface.
>
> To ease service migration on Debian, I'm in the progress of creating a
> runit-services package that includes service directories for some
> services, see
>  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=330029
>
> Help's always welcome ;-).

I wish I had more spare time :(

Hmm ... it occurs to me that the following might be useful:

What if on an installation of runit-run, a special runit-based service
was installed that would do the equivalent of "/etc/init.d/rc N" where N
varies from 0 to 6? ... at least for everything but that single
getty. This way, after installation, we would still have a usable
system, and we could then convert our sysvinit daemons at our leisure to
be runit-based.

Thoughts?


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 Lloyd Zusman
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 God bless you.