From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 869 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2020 12:06:37 -0000 Received: from alyss.skarnet.org (95.142.172.232) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 14 Jun 2020 12:06:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 13658 invoked by uid 89); 14 Jun 2020 12:07:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact supervision-help@list.skarnet.org; run by ezmlm Sender: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Received: (qmail 13650 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2020 12:07:02 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tunnel53-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=L68zFoqVth4jwLRm3VQZSIcl7uR3ujsrH06aon/x7VE=; b=Bw3xFMiNXwiqobyxrWbAA/+5gQIWxUY8ETLLN6YLZEs1NI7mjzffEGKbXf+sNBGPlv WlPlfLNr1MlICoxUw3chI3Zx+q3od5UY7PQXp9GXOCcgjyelGVMVrLpuFJPa375rNJSr 8i5pPKLNOyo1fD2SMD24NQuswjlReSNJ2JwVncDID2X7KiF5Qv/yHWUCoRmmscPJhGq1 QjXwwORiuajcNwG4uuFHkoSR9cL6tKz9ZTq7bgyZn6NSEfOHsvgUZDRbOtvdsErFDzbN lBNTbbw2oHdnO7h/wP5ON6/6gGAbfdP+ooIwWHiDxhRQNWZrn/nKVL0OceGWa3SRsfTq mtUg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=L68zFoqVth4jwLRm3VQZSIcl7uR3ujsrH06aon/x7VE=; b=Gl8lMQ2Wum41r0bxy7v1UHbVLsI5yrIzNRcDk/b6mwyWyUsat6jbX2HdP9ndfHePIC TUeqspf/qFMNooClIypJm/k169mIuRB+ww+oC/S5PzOhrQ8BCxXzpLjpHgKnAnps5rvw ZwYwjdVFPB8xHKoGO2llb/Ypghr+0twfsZJejVbzKxKNo2/87rVtVdY0r2NvE0NJ2/R7 a+3wEZTFddzUGH9uKnMdxkI5CiL7OCc+LlH1iZL5J0KONPtmY7Dvyi3TJALVpEdJebAP NO6xfIATaIshc0VEgC1A2AuWPLYApBMrkyqM+6xzf/YjOanTJ73RiP8aEfNaDvRUWq5g entg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530uCUo3aMV1AfuITVEUCXZZByIU6zdPvrmyWZbHeI6FaR0ztohe btoX5HujOMcCyrKzIivElCHVcP2r4SFQZ4TOVfu9A/IDK8A= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz/UxlfQo/XZK3M/EmcY273SxPYHae3c5PsNoHsXzhu1lzxUk9Ge0jODkgTRU5RYtWpS9q1kiFz7rm0AOmjO3g= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:9404:: with SMTP id x4mr8777558pfo.158.1592136394605; Sun, 14 Jun 2020 05:06:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200613105942.GA21613@klumpi.ignorelist.com> In-Reply-To: From: =?UTF-8?Q?Carl_Winb=C3=A4ck?= Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 14:06:23 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Logging in a web server context To: Laurent Bercot Cc: supervision@list.skarnet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 13 Jun 2020 at 14:53, Laurent Bercot wrote: > I'm generally not a fan of fan-in fan-out mechanisms (pun unintended), > because it's a lot easier to mix data than to triage it, so if data > streams are separated early, mixing them to transmit them over one > channel then parsing the data to separate it into several streams again > is wasteful. Having the ability to keep service-specific log stream > rather than conflating everything into a global logger is one of the > big advantages of the s6 logging infrastructure over the syslog model. I agree with your reservations. But as you concluded, given the currently available tools the =E2=80=9Cmix and split=E2=80=9D method is a r= easonable trade-off for this use case.