From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.sysutils.supervision.general/2378 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Guillermo Newsgroups: gmane.comp.sysutils.skaware,gmane.comp.sysutils.supervision.general Subject: Re: [announce] execline-2.5.0.0 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2018 13:56:59 -0300 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1522688100 21444 195.159.176.226 (2 Apr 2018 16:55:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2018 16:55:00 +0000 (UTC) To: "supervision-cfaJnhaL+FNC7f45DRzWBg@public.gmane.org" , "skaware-cfaJnhaL+FNC7f45DRzWBg@public.gmane.org" Original-X-From: skaware-return-1163-gcss-skaware=m.gmane.org-cfaJnhaL+FNC7f45DRzWBg@public.gmane.org Mon Apr 02 18:54:55 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcss-skaware@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from alyss.skarnet.org ([95.142.172.232]) by blaine.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f32jP-0005S0-H5 for gcss-skaware@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2018 18:54:55 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 21557 invoked by uid 89); 2 Apr 2018 16:57:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact skaware-help-cfaJnhaL+FNC7f45DRzWBg@public.gmane.org; run by ezmlm Original-Sender: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 21543 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2018 16:57:28 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=4M8Xc3q3iwJC6gXYeVMHFDtXnx6qIM9rTyIbrrSnhsk=; b=ZLJi7Pyzuwq3rAQGh56wHQ4yhoahZvxOI4t29Gk8zq7RvqUcLvI/9xzsJMlKZfabgF 8kWfy0Zjc+nDBP04dE8Ui0R+eLwyc6HsPy4t0+58HP1DfvwtmlZJjm6Tg9oYmktmG85k 1Q6Hd4Vyr9o6jSYmqP30JZjJbR2884wwvzjNZ4ai6T4LZa6NkrOucVpO2fh1vFl9AABT HGBhJp6YrcTmJS9DpjuLsMr1wbRAydtPUevn0+/Gi5Xoj9viP2mUaq6QLIBHtsJUqW0P 8jiMKNJnXYlBjAUPQGHLkL9gUIksHc74jyEchUU8EedVquFhn1zgQAel0GenD5vLsEFd 2JAA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4M8Xc3q3iwJC6gXYeVMHFDtXnx6qIM9rTyIbrrSnhsk=; b=LO4UC5aSxQHNZaQP6umYx6fqg5AoYFyHEDlNJ+8gZBNjZCwLpe262AHNB8SjBVjDyV EZuM+e7O1lEavqDhy+8GHxOPA/MGaGBu92tMFb9J1loiBf2mY8siTshwrpLraN65Lekb QM59ZAsusT8dnEQLMN7Q6VDrKELPok3C11ZMiiiLfAgdugu4L05C3KvsDqH1cJE3hJL5 9a0QZ04TgFXToo0Wrs2HmO6JyZdoMHcntThYeHzfQ6HzQ7kp9jWcWRGBWcxJkUffaEMq bZ4vxZYimbTJpqkrdjGBwRkO1/T8tg047cXUllbSmRusX7cyBsyIk1bMuhe09McXhchQ FsVQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tD5jo/Sja645w40DRh/986BKfyA2ul0COBmvESBXgVO1b3sdwCc AX4zVVPItkcDGEHaIiXd5EvR+vWcEHl2Mbz1kgw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx4/E9pe0J0BFO+9mO0TEjBznwoSBTtTCcp858wDiRRpBsZXlE6A73U4g7Ce8u54u+rTcryx8gH7Cp1eevBY+zqU= X-Received: by 10.107.31.1 with SMTP id f1mr8703574iof.12.1522688220611; Mon, 02 Apr 2018 09:57:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.sysutils.skaware:231 gmane.comp.sysutils.supervision.general:2378 Archived-At: 2018-04-02 7:39 GMT-03:00 Laurent Bercot: > > User reports have come in by the hundreds and they are almost > unanimous (sorry, Colin): they don't like the 2.4.0.0 change, > pretending it hurts readability (as if), and writability too, > of execline scripts. (What? People were actually writing execline > scripts? Why haven't I heard of them before yesterday?) > They want a revert to the old syntax. > > Users. They never know what they want. My reaction: 1) "Oh, an announcement!" (timezone magic made this happen on Saturday for = me) 2) "Wait, what? Whaaat?!" 3) All of this chaotically over a short period of time: * "How is something like this execline-2.4.0.0 and not execline-3.0.0.0?" * "Wait, is s6-linux-init still going to work? Did I miss a new s6-linux-init release announcement?" (I don't know why my brains focused on s6-linux-init instead of the major breakage of s6 and s6-rc that not retaining the old names somehow would have produced) * "Wait, did he rename the C source files too? Like src/execline/=3D.c, src/execline/;.c, etc.?" * "Wait, execline commands exist as executable files in the filesystem, are the files going to actually have those names? Like 'test' and '['? That new makefile is going to be quite interesting..." * "Wait, are programs still going to be callable by their old names?" - "How? Compatilibity symlinks? Didn't he dislike multiple personality binaries? Is execlineb going to implement the conversion as part of its parsing?" (the latter could actually work?) - "Does every execline script need to be rewritten now? How many of those are out there already?" * "Hmmm, using execline commands from a shell is going to be hell now with all that character escaping." * "Well, on the other hand, maybe no more ImageMagick-like name collision= s..." * "Let's see how many programs kept their names. Huh? =C3=ADmport is stil= l here?" 4) "I definitely have to take a closer look now." 5) "Oh." G.