From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 31055 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2020 11:16:15 -0000 Received: from alyss.skarnet.org (95.142.172.232) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 4 Nov 2020 11:16:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 22732 invoked by uid 89); 4 Nov 2020 11:16:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact supervision-help@list.skarnet.org; run by ezmlm Sender: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Received: (qmail 22725 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2020 11:16:38 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xGwxV2cTg1xkIeZWw2nWLUGP95rqYQTq1O1d3W1Fkgs=; b=iYj4rxuJdN3ekDVVUaH0dCOJUu8LY+R4y5FjWrbbluWIQtP2P0WWPCeWiHogHMGuAQ dZKc/mmjjAN+efjBNaacQUD5NqXjB4dq5Jvl4UOsJQTX8XUPMggN2qjKQN6opS+xvlYL 9BlEKwyGZoOcCeVQ4s4vVHI/kNcbL06t7uiYK3vZVsO33axJ+Tg7ASrmKDUfm3oqi0xP MT3iNmqzuRO8VeGwsthl4iM11lRWPboPE6hKH08J2CkFGvHvQjjsNgCXKX1jhDVAxezP DbniL3iFlHPFI/0Y+D9CQ+0EAs6uSEXD/64RIVdsU1lpwyliZUYpNaYYM2kPwAdWnFjf 11Zw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xGwxV2cTg1xkIeZWw2nWLUGP95rqYQTq1O1d3W1Fkgs=; b=X0gm0GEZppFhydQzj9I7ar97qLZdsjXp9DWS+JyGaoXVczm6NtvCccsoF1ZE1mm6rB RO75WgYR9rWafPY1VgFQPKX4Vmzt5oXsqsZG9l2XpPf2laEfi2a7SjUvapgWjvmwbxKU B8wA/nkPW3Az/DyZipK7X4U8FH4OZCgD63rwS80X2kexrF5DYYQxDlRFa7MZlo4+IXF5 CuXHoYQiBn/TmGObpM1gKPqyx5W5AawzbIXuPcanV+JS/sqBUNDVlBhinzYc3yEKzbLW vFEHOL7+TP8KwqQJKOGFSWRzN+IT01bELf1YyU50qhDqsemqtEjOZuig9DtCyFzpQADA +Eqw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531FJEd9NEtpHl2L6/Zxq1fnyU+K6wsEyC0gVjcy4XtRgbuNEFv3 gD/LRN4W3cKEBsyQmIhHeJkUXPwurMXdDFy+sQbHf5UCyV0L2w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzQuRAwKwjtZznot2TEifUy3ITk961jQOCLRuy6J444liRy1U28geZysSRoStwUKRkgfnx7OT1CrOqYOyR2xcg= X-Received: by 2002:a37:5904:: with SMTP id n4mr24389542qkb.364.1604488570842; Wed, 04 Nov 2020 03:16:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20201104120111.7d950a36@flunder> In-Reply-To: <20201104120111.7d950a36@flunder> From: Dreamcat4 Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2020 11:15:34 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: s6 in production on Ubuntu - yeah! To: Oliver Schad Cc: supervision@list.skarnet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep. Have been using s6-overlay inside docker containers. On top of the ubuntu 20.04 base image. It works well enough... Perhaps you could speak to some Canonical people about your usage of s6? Maybe it would be helpful to them, in some broader sense? Like to be a little bit less reliant upon systemd? On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 11:01 AM Oliver Schad wrote: > > Hi everybody, > > we're proud to announce, that we have s6 in production in context of > platform as a service for our customers. > > We started with the rollout on our container hypervisors and will > extend that to all of our LXC containers. > > We use Ubuntu 16 for now and will migrate that to Ubuntu 20. The reasons > we use that distro is, are some: > > - good package support from community > - canonical maintains LXC/LXD > - co-maintainers of ZFS > > So these are important reasons for us to stay on Ubuntu. > > Thanks Laurent for supporting us to develop the integration of s6 in > ubuntu 16 and 20. We can definitly recommend to engage Laurent for > integration questions. > > The reasons to migrate away from systemd are well known but to recap > that in short: > > - buggy > - bad support from development team (go-away mentality) > - over complex in every dimension > - really limited cause of DSL/config approach and really big config > language at the same time - more than 200 config statements - have > fun to know them all > - tries to enforce itself everywhere as dependency > - linux only > - tightly bundled to kernel interfaces, which might be dangerous in > container business (container's systemd might depend on specific > kernel interfaces of the host) > - cgroup massacre (mi-mi-mi that is my cgroup and nobody else is > allowed to use it) > > And I guess some more. The pain we had with systemd, journald and so on > was too much. > > Best Regards > Oli > > -- > Automatic-Server AG =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 > Oliver Schad > Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer > Turnerstrasse 2 > 9000 St. Gallen | Schweiz > > www.automatic-server.com | oliver.schad@automatic-server.com > Tel: +41 71 511 31 11 | Mobile: +41 76 330 03 47