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From: Steve Litt <slitt@troubleshooters.com>
To: dng <dng@lists.dyne.org>, supervision@list.skarnet.org
Subject: Re: [DNG] Be prepared for the fall of systemd
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2022 04:55:25 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <df753e2ad420c739563af1ea8467eed407a207ff.camel@troubleshooters.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAK2MWOvJfx6kB8wiLL4OfgFx25et=_-2OZCsS4VPLYpuBfngyQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 2022-08-03 at 15:36 -0700, Bruce Perens wrote:
> I came to the conclusion a while back that systemd was symptomatic of the
> fact that we had gone as far as the fundamental assumptions of the Unix API
> could take us. 

I find it symptomatic of the fact that a guy wrote some Rube Goldberg code and a
corporation decided it would be a great idea to spend millions getting the Rube
Goldberg code into many major distros. As far as us running our of road with the
Unix API, systemd solves no problem and offers no improvement that couldn't have
been solved or improved in a dozen different ways, almost all of which would have
been more modular and less prone to vendor lock in.

[snip]

> There is room for replacement of systemd and continuation of Linux and BSD.

Exactly! And if Redhat/IBM ever stops spending millions per year to keep systemd
from collapsing under its own weight, that room becomes a necessity.

> But we should be looking forward to something else as the next OS paradigm.

In the preceding sentence, I'd change the "But" to "Also".


SteveT

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-08-04  8:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-01  7:21 Steve Litt
2022-08-03 17:19 ` J.R. Hill
2022-08-04  8:21   ` Steve Litt
2022-08-04  9:09     ` Tanuj Bagaria
2022-08-04 10:33       ` Laurent Bercot
2022-08-05 21:28         ` Daniel Fitzpatrick
2022-08-04 10:59       ` Jan Bramkamp
     [not found]   ` <CAK2MWOvJfx6kB8wiLL4OfgFx25et=_-2OZCsS4VPLYpuBfngyQ@mail.gmail.com>
2022-08-04  8:55     ` Steve Litt [this message]
2022-08-04  9:29       ` [DNG] " Laurent Bercot

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