From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 12586 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2022 08:55:28 -0000 Received: from alyss.skarnet.org (95.142.172.232) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 4 Aug 2022 08:55:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 16990 invoked by uid 89); 4 Aug 2022 08:55:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact supervision-help@list.skarnet.org; run by ezmlm Sender: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Received: (qmail 16983 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2022 08:55:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; h=X-Originating-IP:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:User-Agent:MIME-Version; s=default; d=troubleshooters.com; b=j8w7N0RYxNHQ7ci2piaTfpSG8kGuZawzjgu0ZK8pQjHh9n1mvSVZnCk+O+mIjDmHboDQmywrDj8DJpbNp1adcACBBRaIGpsMGeGIMPcHopiVbOWZw4W60bRHy+SX4578hSTvdCgLuC5SDTyIG/m32N0x7sxnOw4OgkFNr3bx93E=; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/simple; d=troubleshooters.com; s=default; t=1659603325; bh=disshkcMKBy1dowgtvSwf+poIU4=; l=1128; h=X-Originating-IP:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:User-Agent: MIME-Version; b=kiimv0ikUBb9CVDlxTNMZI9UQvk+Y4w2vhHc/s+IzcwN4osZqLjCPWSMkEppDzULW y3nbSA3kOxlzzLRRmsMtaCfoPDWCuNqogqptgkUnNYgQgec2SH8TNZKDj7fkuoKmC4 LVl93342IBSS2MRugTnXeVIdM+2MZ5k4u93Lx0GY= X-Originating-IP: [184.90.131.91] Message-ID: Subject: Re: [DNG] Be prepared for the fall of systemd From: Steve Litt To: dng , supervision@list.skarnet.org Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2022 04:55:25 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: <4234078aeca178d4b1b5136a9463617d97cef66b.camel@troubleshooters.com> <75OjPiNdg7k-TrGOB10JwBnln7qJjJRtcsOdg1Dm_gk72TwWJ2Te1njPOEgXz-khoRDvkvqjOfB2kUNj5_iAXtoHivgeGVZwoUzvQod4vIo=@so.dang.cool> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.44.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 On Wed, 2022-08-03 at 15:36 -0700, Bruce Perens wrote: > I came to the conclusion a while back that systemd was symptomatic of the > fact that we had gone as far as the fundamental assumptions of the Unix A= PI > could take us.=C2=A0 I find it symptomatic of the fact that a guy wrote some Rube Goldberg code = and a corporation decided it would be a great idea to spend millions getting the = Rube Goldberg code into many major distros. As far as us running our of road wit= h the Unix API, systemd solves no problem and offers no improvement that couldn't= have been solved or improved in a dozen different ways, almost all of which woul= d have been more modular and less prone to vendor lock in. [snip] > There is room for replacement of systemd and continuation of Linux and BS= D. Exactly! And if Redhat/IBM ever stops spending millions per year to keep sy= stemd from collapsing under its own weight, that room becomes a necessity. > But we should be looking forward to something else as the next OS paradig= m. In the preceding sentence, I'd change the "But" to "Also". SteveT