From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.sysutils.supervision.general/2366 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Laurent Bercot" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.sysutils.supervision.general Subject: Re: [Announce] s6.rc: a distribution-friendly init/rc framework Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 06:38:33 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20180322132334.GA11596@caspervector> <20180323040022.GA1737@caspervector> <20180323132058.GA21692@caspervector> <20180325045750.GA5868@caspervector> Reply-To: "Laurent Bercot" NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1521959793 29891 195.159.176.226 (25 Mar 2018 06:36:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 06:36:33 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: eM_Client/7.1.31849.0 To: supervision@list.skarnet.org Original-X-From: supervision-return-1957-gcsg-supervision=m.gmane.org@list.skarnet.org Sun Mar 25 08:36:29 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcsg-supervision@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from alyss.skarnet.org ([95.142.172.232]) by blaine.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ezzGV-0007ez-Ir for gcsg-supervision@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 Mar 2018 08:36:27 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 24597 invoked by uid 89); 25 Mar 2018 06:39:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact supervision-help@list.skarnet.org; run by ezmlm Original-Sender: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 24590 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2018 06:39:01 -0000 In-Reply-To: <20180325045750.GA5868@caspervector> X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: 0 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtgedrvdeggdeifecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfpfgfogfftkfevteeunffgpdfqfgfvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhephffvufffkfgjfhhrfgggtgfgsehtqhertddtreejnecuhfhrohhmpedfnfgruhhrvghnthcuuegvrhgtohhtfdcuoehskhgrqdhsuhhpvghrvhhishhiohhnsehskhgrrhhnvghtrdhorhhgqeenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhpohhuthenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.sysutils.supervision.general:2366 Archived-At: >On a second thought, what about (at least a attempt at) solving the >human (political) problems by human means (propaganda, but of the >factually correct type)? It's not a political problem, it's a religious problem. You just cannot convince people that your UI is better, any more than you can convince them that your text editor is better. People have tastes, we may find them bad, but we're not going to change them; trying only paints you as an annoying zealot, and is counter-productive. The factually correct, technically correct solution is already there, and they accept it, they believe it - we don't need to convince them of that. It's simply a UI issue. And the right answer to "I like your engine, but I don't like your UI" isn't "You're wrong, my UI is the best", it is to put up - and write a UI they like - or shut up. A major selling point of the s6 and s6-rc formats is that they're easy to autogenerate, and a frontend would be proof of that. We claim we're technically better than everyone else, and that our paradigm is more flexible than others - well there's the opportunity to prove it. -- Laurent