From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.sysutils.supervision.general/2456 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Laurent Bercot" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.sysutils.supervision.general Subject: Re: Is s6/s6-rc ready to be the ubiquitous init? Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 11:37:55 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20190111012453.22f63228@mydesk.domain.cxm> Reply-To: "Laurent Bercot" NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1547292954 4436 195.159.176.226 (12 Jan 2019 11:35:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 11:35:54 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: eM_Client/7.2.33939.0 To: "Steve Litt" , Supervision Original-X-From: supervision-return-2046-gcsg-supervision=m.gmane.org@list.skarnet.org Sat Jan 12 12:35:50 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcsg-supervision@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from alyss.skarnet.org ([95.142.172.232]) by blaine.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1giHZs-0000zQ-DM for gcsg-supervision@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jan 2019 12:35:48 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 4390 invoked by uid 89); 12 Jan 2019 11:38:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact supervision-help@list.skarnet.org; run by ezmlm Original-Sender: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Original-Received: (qmail 4383 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2019 11:38:23 -0000 In-Reply-To: <20190111012453.22f63228@mydesk.domain.cxm> X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: -100 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtledrfeejgddvlecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfpfgfogfftkfevteeunffgpdfqfgfvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffufffkjghfrhgfgggtgfesthhqredttderjeenucfhrhhomhepfdfnrghurhgvnhhtuceuvghrtghothdfuceoshhkrgdqshhuphgvrhhvihhsihhonhesshhkrghrnhgvthdrohhrgheqnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphhouhhtnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.sysutils.supervision.general:2456 Archived-At: >Months ago IBM bought Redhat, and IBM might not want to throw a million >a year at a dev group devoted to keeping the systemd leaky boat afloat. >Meanwhile, just today another major systemd snafu emerged. I think you're deluded if you think systemd's going away by a top-down decision. Corporate likes organizational stability, and has a lot of inertia. They will keep what they have, they will keep funding the systemd team, who are, after all, the experts on systemd, and who will fix the issues (nevermind the fact that they're also the ones creating them). They are not going to take a major risk by throwing away their product and using something they don't know. Now, *if* someone with important lobbying power could demonstrate to IBM/RedHat executives that they could do the same thing for much less effort and much less PR trouble by supporting another product with a much cheaper team, *then* they might be interested. But we're not there yet, unless you have high-placed connections I don't know about. :P >If IBM bails on systemd, is s6/s6-rc ready to take its place? I mean we >all know it's ready technically, and is well maintained, but is it ready >politically, with help for distro packagers? Perhaps some documentation >on best practices and making it easy to install s6/s6-rc. I'm very thankful for your generous offer to provide documentation and tutorials. Help for distro packagers is indeed something s6/s6-rc needs. Can you give me an outline of your tutorial when it's ready? I'll be happy to proofread it and make suggestions. >We could soon have a rare opportunity for a Linux-wide init change. I'd >hate to see systemd replaced by more snake oil. So would I. So would, I like to think, most people here. But systemd isn't going to disappear on a corporate whim. It will have to be dislodged with pitchforks and torches, and most importantly, constant lowburn effort by enthusiasts spreading the word. The plan is coming along - slowly, *very* slowly because I have to fund myself, but surely. Next year I'll be working on an interface for the whole s6 stack that makes it easy for distributions and administrators to replace systemd with something close to what they know. Stay tuned. -- Laurent