From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.sysutils.supervision.general/2725 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Laurent Bercot" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.sysutils.supervision.general Subject: Re: The "Unix Philosophy 2020" document Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 13:29:35 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20190831130730.ki6ma7i5curucowe@caspervector> <20190901091157.bjtfhqq6d2rg75yo@caspervector> <20190927083816.tectynx7dzlfcvb7@caspervector> <20191012173743.drzlgnrw4hib6hh4@caspervector> <20191117062644.lt6wfmqwijqqhc5w@caspervector> <20191117072850.bokuozrpokvfq662@caspervector> <20191125025202.oqu4ennu3lexnxsa@caspervector> <20191125142047.sbewkum5jj3fckvi@caspervector> <1093851575116038@sas2-5cafe8cd79cd.qloud-c.yandex.net> <1024281575116408@sas8-7ec005b03c91.qloud-c.yandex.net> <1036381575117902@sas2-c8fd3ed78d67.qloud-c.yandex.net> Reply-To: "Laurent Bercot" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="153956"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: eM_Client/7.2.36908.0 To: "supervision@list.skarnet.org" Original-X-From: supervision-return-2314-gcsg-supervision=m.gmane.org@list.skarnet.org Sat Nov 30 14:29:38 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcsg-supervision@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from alyss.skarnet.org ([95.142.172.232]) by blaine.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ib2oc-000dy2-Be for gcsg-supervision@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Nov 2019 14:29:38 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 12242 invoked by uid 89); 30 Nov 2019 13:30:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact supervision-help@list.skarnet.org; run by ezmlm Original-Sender: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Original-Received: (qmail 12235 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2019 13:30:03 -0000 In-Reply-To: <1036381575117902@sas2-c8fd3ed78d67.qloud-c.yandex.net> X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: 0 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedufedrudejuddgheegucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecupfgfoffgtffkveetuefngfdpqfgfvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefhvffufffkjghfrhgfgggtgfesthhqredttderjeenucfhrhhomhepfdfnrghurhgvnhhtuceuvghrtghothdfuceoshhkrgdqshhuphgvrhhvihhsihhonhesshhkrghrnhgvthdrohhrgheqnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphhouhhtnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.sysutils.supervision.general:2725 Archived-At: Friendly reminder that: - systemd discussion, even criticism, is off-topic, unless it's a deep technical analysis of a part of systemd and whether or not implementing equivalent functionality would be relevant to supervision systems. If=20 you want to rant against systemd, it's certainly a healthy urge, but you=20 have *the whole Web* to do so. Here, I'd like to hear *less* about systemd, and more about better designs. - language flamewars are also off-topic. * At software writing time, there are good, objective reasons to use=20 a given language more than another, but this is a design discussion that needs to happen *at that time*; once the software has been written, it's too late for constructive criticism, and only noise remains. * At software usage time, the language the software is written in is obviously a factor in deciding whether or not to use the software, but that choice belongs to the user and it's a personal choice. I don't like C++ for low-level software, so I don't use nosh; but if someone has different preferences from mine, it's not my place to tell them what to=20 use, and neither is it yours. -- Laurent