From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.sysutils.supervision.general/2839 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: "Laurent Bercot" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.sysutils.supervision.general Subject: Re: State of skarnet.org projects Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2020 14:22:31 +0000 Message-ID: References: <1760736f-f479-4fc3-256d-a4cad4d5772f@obarun.org> Reply-To: "Laurent Bercot" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="17738"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: eM_Client/7.2.36908.0 To: fungalnet@obarun.org, supervision@list.skarnet.org Original-X-From: supervision-return-2428-gcsg-supervision=m.gmane-mx.org@list.skarnet.org Sun Feb 02 15:22:33 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcsg-supervision@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from alyss.skarnet.org ([95.142.172.232]) by ciao.gmane.io with smtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iyG8v-0004P1-2q for gcsg-supervision@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Feb 2020 15:22:33 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 25434 invoked by uid 89); 2 Feb 2020 14:22:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact supervision-help@list.skarnet.org; run by ezmlm Original-Sender: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Original-Received: (qmail 25427 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2020 14:22:58 -0000 In-Reply-To: <1760736f-f479-4fc3-256d-a4cad4d5772f@obarun.org> X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: 0 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedugedrgeehgdeivdcutefuodetggdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecupfgfoffgtffkveetuefngfdpqfgfvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefhvffufffkjghfrhgfgggtgfesthhqredttderjeenucfhrhhomhepfdfnrghurhgvnhhtuceuvghrtghothdfuceoshhkrgdqshhuphgvrhhvihhsihhonhesshhkrghrnhgvthdrohhrgheqnecuffhomhgrihhnpehskhgrrhhnvghtrdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhpohhuth Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.comp.sysutils.supervision.general:2839 Archived-At: >I'd like to know what is your view and feeling of this expanding base, >what does it mean to you, and whether you see an influence of the >project by the growing popularity. If I can interpret this announcement >correctly you seem already to be reacting to the Debian s6 incorporation >fiasco more than the projects who have treated s6 with greater respect. I don't quite understand what you mean. I love that the s6 base is expanding, I really appreciate that we have a community around it, and I've always been committed to supporting it. I keep repeating that I'm always willing to help people who are trying to integrate s6 in their projects; it just so happens that, for many excellent reasons, I don't get many requests. But when people reach out to me, I try to make good on the promise: for instance, making s6-linux-init sysvinit-compatible was a request from Ad=C3=A9lie Linux; it took about two weeks of vacation time and a few week-ends; 100% worth, because that's what made it possible to have s6 as init in Ad=C3=A9lie, whi= ch I'm very happy with and grateful to the whole Ad=C3=A9lie community for. The big pain point for further s6 integration in distros, as _every single one_ of those I contacted told me, is the user interface, and=20 that UX return is basically driving my career. It is a big project that will need a lot of focused, uninterrupted time, so I'm currently trying to max out my earnings over 3 years so I'm able to take a whole year off to work on that project. The Debian thing is a minor annoyance; it took two week-ends and a=20 couple evenings to address it. You see me address minor annoyances more than=20 The Big Request because it's all I have time and energy for while working on an outside contract. Maintenance things, tweaks around the edges, light QoL adjustments, and community support on IRC; no big developments. So, in that context, I don't understand your point; could you clarify? On a related note, it should now be obvious that the main obstacle to further s6 growth is the lack of time I can spend on it, and that comes directly from the need to self-fund. As a consequence (and I'm=20 addressing the whole community here), if you like s6 - or other projects of mine - and want to see it become more widely adopted, the best thing you can do is find me sponsors! Long-term sponsoring would allow me to work on=20 these projects full-time, and *then* they would take off. -- Laurent