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From: "Laurent Bercot" <ska-supervision@skarnet.org>
To: "supervision@list.skarnet.org" <supervision@list.skarnet.org>
Subject: Re: s6 usability
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 21:02:31 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <emfaf827bd-4fa2-431b-b0e5-72991b739771@elzian> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <337de051-b2b4-4f69-78e7-3f737f40384f@sholland.org>

>From a Linux distribution perspective, there's also the question of if s6 can be
>made a drop-in replacement for daemontools, since it does follow djb's naming
>scheme. In gentoo, there are various packages that depend on
>virtual/daemontools; for example, the nullmailer test suite uses ipcserver. From
>a quick comparison of the documentation, it looks like s6 only adds options, and
>remains compatible with the daemontools options.

Yes, and that was on purpose, but it's only true with the "official" API
and not with the internals. For instance, the supervise/status file
isn't compatible.


>So would it be valid/acceptable for a distribution to create unprefixed symlinks
>to the s6-* binaries? It looks like this would mostly only work for the subset
>of the binaries that implement daemontools functionality; some others
>(s6-setsid, s6-sudo) would have naming conflicts if they were not prefixed.

s6-setsid can be symlinked as pgrphack: same functionality, different
name. The same way that s6-log can be symlinked as multilog.


>Then, with the symlinks, s6 could "provide" virtual/daemontools. Maybe this
>would also help discoverability (the issue at hand). Maybe the inconsistency
>would cause more harm than good, and the symlinks should be "for compatibility
>only".

s6 can provide at least surface compatibility with daemontools, yes. 
With
the symlinks, it can still be a drop-in replacement (unless there are
interface changes I haven't thought about).

daemontools replacement is easy. The real subject is compatibility with
runit, which is possible but not quite drop-in.

--
Laurent



  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-12-04 21:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-25 21:43 runit patches to fix compiler warnings on RHEL 7 J. Lewis Muir
2019-11-27 20:33 ` J. Lewis Muir
2019-11-28  7:59   ` Ben Franksen
     [not found]   ` <ecdf4d8f-93f6-3f9f-b84c-351fa91c7f02@uni-bremen.de>
2019-11-28 19:04     ` Laurent Bercot
2019-11-28 20:39       ` Steve Litt
2019-11-28 22:17         ` runit or s6 (was: runit patches to fix compiler warnings on RHEL 7) Laurent Bercot
2019-11-29 14:09       ` runit patches to fix compiler warnings on RHEL 7 Jan Braun
2019-11-29 21:46         ` Dewayne Geraghty
2019-11-30  1:22           ` Colin Booth
2019-11-30  0:21         ` Colin Booth
2019-11-30  3:14           ` Steve Litt
2019-11-30 13:32           ` Jeff
2019-11-30 13:46             ` Jeff
2019-11-30 10:15         ` s6 usability (was: runit patches to fix compiler warnings on RHEL 7) Laurent Bercot
2019-11-30 14:32           ` Jeff
2019-11-30 18:58             ` Laurent Bercot
2019-12-02 12:07               ` Jeff
2019-12-02 22:20                 ` Laurent Bercot
2019-12-02  2:47           ` Steve Litt
2019-12-02  3:37             ` s6 usability Dewayne Geraghty
2019-12-02 10:24               ` fungal-net
2019-12-02 21:32             ` s6 usability (was: runit patches to fix compiler warnings on RHEL 7) Laurent Bercot
2019-12-02 23:17               ` s6 usability Samuel Holland
2019-12-03 22:10                 ` Steve Litt
2019-12-21 11:49                   ` Jan Braun
2019-12-04 12:15                 ` Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
2019-12-04 21:02                 ` Laurent Bercot [this message]
2019-12-04  1:30             ` s6 usability (was: runit patches to fix compiler warnings on RHEL 7) Casper Ti. Vector
2019-12-21  9:26           ` s6 usability Jan Braun
2019-12-21 18:36             ` Guillermo
2019-12-21 21:19             ` Colin Booth
2019-12-22  1:05               ` Jan Braun
2019-12-22  8:30                 ` Colin Booth
2019-12-21 23:46             ` Laurent Bercot
2019-12-22  5:53               ` Jan Braun
2019-12-22 20:33               ` Steve Litt
2019-12-22 23:20                 ` Laurent Bercot
2019-12-23  1:28                   ` Oliver Schad
2019-12-23  9:14                     ` Laurent Bercot
2019-12-23 10:15                     ` Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
2019-12-24  0:18                       ` Oliver Schad
2019-12-23  1:57                   ` Steve Litt
2019-12-23  9:00                     ` Laurent Bercot
2019-12-22 23:47                 ` Dewayne Geraghty
2019-12-04 11:36         ` runit patches to fix compiler warnings on RHEL 7 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
2019-12-04 16:40           ` J. Lewis Muir
2019-12-04 20:48             ` Laurent Bercot
2019-12-04 21:32               ` J. Lewis Muir
2019-12-04 21:06             ` Steve Litt
2019-12-04 21:50               ` Laurent Bercot
     [not found]                 ` <20191205132736.7f501460@puter>
2019-12-08 19:10                   ` Laurent Bercot
2019-12-02 17:57       ` J. Lewis Muir
2019-12-02 21:06         ` J. Lewis Muir
2019-12-02 22:22           ` Laurent Bercot
2019-12-02 21:58         ` Laurent Bercot
2019-12-03 10:57           ` Benjamin Franksen
2019-12-04 10:43       ` Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
2019-12-02 17:13     ` J. Lewis Muir
2019-12-04 11:13       ` Jonathan de Boyne Pollard

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