From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 14082 invoked from network); 18 May 2023 02:31:44 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 18 May 2023 02:31:44 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC067402EC; Thu, 18 May 2023 12:31:35 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuhs.org; s=dkim; t=1684377096; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-owner:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=MN572IMUUfzf+fWfkTx1ILsjZlMiPr50A1f+Po+83zo=; b=RzOb3+A9yf6ahfvjfrLaRvcKxxFsqG+Z0rq4Gv1BcqqyVGxFl8aZw7X2Lcae5bhDQV7FQt alL6O5Vr+RIrWUKho4L1HVcGzqwftjaKfHoF6HMheS8WS5lUvq+bqXfmZkqERBeGd0l8Ts hVTDBS3Y04voxCxtXBygyjzyg90TV3A= Received: from mail-40140.protonmail.ch (mail-40140.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.140]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA722402E8 for ; Thu, 18 May 2023 12:31:17 +1000 (AEST) Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 02:31:01 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1684377075; x=1684636275; bh=MN572IMUUfzf+fWfkTx1ILsjZlMiPr50A1f+Po+83zo=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=setrrAZ+1tvDHmS3irfbz1QRMvsQJJnTWP2/gqnrxbC7RqvbR9Vl6mJZgj36Tqkwj P/o5Y+F/VruyLm53Y77n5+GhYLomDrMAgis9YdyJlqNYg03gGyhdMdheqX171HCOKY WVYBw5qlMc0F5POVocxAQt4xzszGC18ZZDNUcqgzuQLN86eCiYkaxhJgDjI6y/58Mp aENzSbZAsrxR9QDztRVtE6alw7R3WE/0BbDeMP6Epeaa+5OVsf9i8ASApqfnHfheB0 lZRP3NYp5qPJLgx7OSwamhDaRurnBBTnqHSmHLl/YxyiS47HyY0C5rQFX8pwgjtlOb lv/PmQkFKWJRg== To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Message-ID: <-F51UxsbTdMuh2QqeEmoxatmn9f_hx0YJETxe6qUgc0RNHaA7xmHie-sQDPDcP4SHmjuv-zx-lm4WsFtRRbJ-Fjf9tLENEHEOICJKlhDinM=@protonmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: Feedback-ID: 35591162:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: RJ4IACXZ7BQXJFUQQ7XXUTPUQEO3UEJ3 X-Message-ID-Hash: RJ4IACXZ7BQXJFUQQ7XXUTPUQEO3UEJ3 X-MailFrom: segaloco@protonmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Berkeley Font Catalog List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: segaloco via TUHS Reply-To: segaloco Alright, following up as I've received what is hopefully only the first shi= pment of documents. Sadly the specific binder in the eBay pictures was not= in the box...so I've reached out to the seller to figure out where that on= e might have gone to, the 4BSD one was what I was interested in from their = auction. That said, what they did send me is also pretty interesting. Lots of info = here, so grep for your subject of interest if so desired. I received nearly complete copies of the V6 and V7 manuals, including the p= aper sets. The V6 manual itself appears to be complete, but the papers set= is missing: Setting Up UNIX, UNIX Assembler Reference Manual, A Tutorial Introducti= on to the ED Text Editor UNIX for Beginners, On the Security of UNIX, A System For Typesetting M= athematics DC - An Interactive Desk Calculator, and BC - An Arbitrary Precision De= sk Calculator Worth mentioning, the TMG and M6 documents don't appear to be in the same t= ypesetting as the others, rather, they look more ROFF-ish than TROFF-ish. As for the V7 manual, that one is a tad bit more interesting in that it doe= s appear to be a modified version. From the best I can tell this is a V7 w= ith a bunch of ARPA stuff thrown in, so it has stuff like ftp and telnet as= well. The full list of non-standard pages is here: https://pastebin.com/S= 38c9rtX In this situation, non-standard meaning visibly different typesetti= ng, as some of those pages do represent stuff that was in V7, but the pages= in this copy are noticeably not the original Bell typeset versions. The V7 paper set is complete as far as Bell components, but then also inclu= des (two copies between a couple binders) a number of extra "sections". Th= ese are: - DATACOPY - Has programs for handling waveform and seismic data, I saw= several USGS references in disparate papers shuffled in with the non manua= l stuff (which I'll mention a little further down) - SEISMIC - Documentation for C and Fortran "Seismic" libraries, looks = like seismic data interpretation stuff. - "Mod 1" - On MIT Lincoln Laboratory letterhead, Manual Updates from D= an Bach to "Mod 1 Team" indicating manual updates for the "second release o= f Mod 1." - SDP - Signal Display Package, these are analysis programs for visuali= zing waveform and seismic data - GRAPHICS - Quote, "This document describes our UNIX graphics system."= Perusing a few pages, I can't find anywhere that "our" is qualified, so ca= n't really say whose this is, but I think all of these are part of the same= package, their typesetting is all comparable. So that's the manual stuff, with the most interesting thing amongst the man= uals being the USGS stuff, there's some sort of MIT involvement there, and = there's some sort of RAND involvement as well as one of the added manpages,= ned(I), is a text editor from RAND with quite a detailed manpage. On to the "rest". In addition to some binders of UNIX manuals, the seller = also threw in a plastic wrapped bundle of miscellaneous stuff. There are a= few emails concerning VMS/UNIX performance comparisons on the VAX, with on= e paper coming from Bill Joy, another from "Quam at SRI-KL", forwarded arou= nd a bit, ultimately landing in the BBN-UNIX group at the forwarding of "Ne= meth". The original text dates to Feb 6th, 1980. Looks like the original = author was David L. Kashtan at SRI International. What's really cool is it= looks like the benchmark code is present here too. There's also a second = email tacked on to the end from Steve Shafer at CMU discussing ongoing pref= erence for UNIX and some thoughts on how to deal with the shortcomings. There is a conference report from a "Software Tools and UNIX Users Group" c= onference at the University of Toronto, dated June 26 1979 and authored by = a David M. Phillips. The report goes on to note the various topics discuss= ed which include UNIX V7, much language development at Berkeley. Included = are a few promotions for T-shirts, among them the famous artwork with a PDP= -11 being attended to by a series of little daemons getting into all sorts = of mischief. At the time the shirts could be purchased for $6.50 plus $0.5= 0 shipping from "TRI-J Color Print Co" in Arlington Heights, IL. A little = further on, there's also "Adventure" T-shirts for sale, presumably pertinen= t to the famous game. Described as "Has picture of dragon and related stuff= . Says something about computer gaming". Not sure if that was how it was a= ctually described or someone was getting tired by the end of transcription. There are a few license agreements with Berkeley, an older one only listing= a need for a 32V license and a couple later ones with text pertinent to ha= ving a V7, System III, or System V license. The earlier license, issued Ju= ne 20th, 1980, appears to be for 3BSD for a single VAX 11/780 at MIT at a "= duplication charge" of $200. Among these various materials is also a lette= r from WECos Patent Licensing Director E.G. Baldwin to Lincoln Laboratory a= t MIT concerning their adding a new PDP-11 to their fleet. The letter is d= ated July 31, 1980, and indicates the cost to add this single "DESIGNATED C= PU" as it is termed is $9,400. Included too is the packing slip indicating= the shipment of a magnetic tape of UNIX/32V and 3 volumes of documentation= . Not on the packing slip but mentioned in an attached letter is mention o= f the BSTJ 1978 volume as well, aligning with the ;login: bit I read a litt= le while back about them shipping these out with UNIX copies. There are also some papers paperclipped together suggesting whoever origina= lly held these was working on getting a 2.9BSD license, as there is a copy = of the release summary, an order form, checklist, and two copies of the lic= ense agreement, likewise $200 dollars but this time implying the need for a= V7, System III, or System V license, not just 32V, presumably since this i= s PDP not VAX. These documents are dated June 1983 at the earliest. There is a "Guide to the UNIX Fortran System" by J.N. Rottman of Princeton,= dated September 1975. Doesn't look related to Bell Fortran efforts but I'= ll admit to being a bit green on anything Fortran related. There's also a = paper ROFF manual, which is pretty cool. I wasn't aware one was actually p= roduced, I thought the documentation just amounted to the request summary p= resent in the man pages. There's a Mitre Corporation memo on a UNIX User's= Group meeting October 1-3, 1976 at Harvard including a summary of discusse= d topics and a PWB Synopsis of Facilities. There is also a printout of "Th= e tmac.l Text Macro Library" along with typesetter source to the same docum= ent and what I believe is a printout of the macro package itself. There is= a "UNIX Command Reference" that looks similar to the content presented in = both the "Command Reference" section 9 of the trade book versions of the UN= IX Programmer's Manual Seventh Edition as well as the "UNIX Reference Guide= " here https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Documentation/Manuals/Unix_4.0/UNIX_Ref= erence_Guide.pdf Finally there are a few non-UNIX items the seller included as well, among t= hem is a big stack of Motorola technical and marketing materials concerning= the 68000 and some embedded systems and the VMC 68/2 Microcomputer. There= are a couple of slides that appear to be from an iAPX 286 marketing demons= tration. There is an article on "Tiny Hi" by Martin Buchanan which appeare= d in Dr. Dobb's Journal of Computer Calistheincs & Orthodontia, October 197= 6. Finally, there is a single amusing page amongst the lot labeled "Newest= DEC Opcodes" with opcodes such as "EIO - Execute Invalid Opcode, LTS - Loo= p Til Smokes, RTP - Reduce Throughput". Seems to be the same paper being d= escribed here: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.folklore.computers/c/kH0eKq2= LRd8 Whew, marathon typing over. Lots of goodies here, if you feel a particular= item warrants a discussion thread, feel free to snip it as a quote to star= t a new message, otherwise email just me if you have questions about anythi= ng in particular. Otherwise, I'm going to be going over this all with a fi= ner toothed comb once I get the other shipment (which as I was typing this = novel I did get confirmation is also on the way, they didn't ship both the = same day.) - Matt G. P.S. Sorry if the later bits are less descriptive, found out 3/4th of the w= ay through I have somewhere to be pretty soon. ------- Original Message ------- On Sunday, May 14th, 2023 at 11:17 AM, segaloco w= rote: > Hello, I've just today secured purchase of an original 4BSD manual and pa= pers set and a copy of what I believe is the V6 papers set as well. Of note= amongst the tabs I could read from the pictures of the Berkeley binder was= a section of fonts that I don't think I've seen before named the Berkeley = Font Catalog. I did a bit of searching around and didn't find anything matc= hing that on first inspection re: scanned and source-available BSD doc coll= ections. Anyone got the scoop on this? >=20 > Either way, once these arrive in the mail in I'll try and see what the de= lta might be between these and the current sources in V6 and 4BSD stuff on = the archive. They're from the collection of an emeritus professor on the ea= st coast, and I'm not sure if they represent unmodified docs shipped from B= ell and Berkeley or have local modifications. In any case, his son said the= y'll be going through more material soon and are liable to turn up more UNI= X stuff, so I'll keep folks posted if I come into possession of anything el= se particularly spiffy. >=20 > - Matt G.